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1.) God gives life
2.) Each of us that have had the breath of life was given to us for God's Purpose for us.
3.) God doesn't fail
4.) God's purpose for each of us doesn't fail.
5.) God finishes what He started.
6.) God knows the end from the beginning
7.) Salvation is 100% God's Work
8.) God Desires to save everyone.
9.) God desires none to be lost.
10.) God chooses us, we don't choose Him.
And there you go....
trettep, you know exactly what I believe, quit with the mind games I know just what your up to and I'm not going to fall for it and the lies.
What is it that you like to play these kind of games with people all the time........ it truly is sad !
trettep, you know exactly what I believe, quit with the mind games I know just what your up to and I'm not going to fall for it and the lies.
What is it that you like to play these kind of games with people all the time........ it truly is sad !
So you believe these things and yet you also believe all these:
1.) God gives life
2.) Each of us that have had the breath of life was given to us for God's Purpose for us.
3.) God doesn't fail
4.) God's purpose for each of us doesn't fail.
5.) God finishes what He started.
6.) God knows the end from the beginning
7.) Salvation is 100% God's Work
8.) God Desires to save everyone.
9.) God desires none to be lost.
10.) God chooses us, we don't choose Him.
And yet you want us to believe also that God would contradict all those things and torment the wicked for eternity. Now you blast me as a liar but don't you realize WHY I can't believe as you do? If I did side with you at this time, I would have to accept contradiction. For what reason would anyone do such a thing? Tradition? - because your family believes it? or the nice people at the church believe it? Why would any rational and logical person ever embrace such a contradiction.
1.) God gives life
2.) Each of us that have had the breath of life was given to us for God's Purpose for us.
3.) God doesn't fail
4.) God's purpose for each of us doesn't fail.
5.) God finishes what He started.
6.) God knows the end from the beginning
7.) Salvation is 100% God's Work
8.) God Desires to save everyone.
9.) God desires none to be lost.
10.) God chooses us, we don't choose Him.
How long has reasoning together been considered trickery ?. What harm is done to anyone answering any of these reasonable questions?.
I don't understand your question. Please rephrase it. My question was not intended to be a smartass question. It was meant to provoke a analysis of what is justice. Remember that Jesus said that the unforgiving servant would only pay UNTIL the debt was paid. He never said that the unforgiving servant would pay for eternity.
Really, was not meant to be intentional?
Ok, then instead of asking your original question in the negative,
original:
Finn_Jarber, tell me how many zeros to add to the equation below to ensure that someone who was so wicked of all should be tormented:
Torment time equation:
10000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 00000000000000000 trillion years raised to the ______________ power.
fill in the blank for me. Let us know what is the sufficient time for God to be satisfied with the torment of the wicked.
prove your theory by supplying the UR alternative.
We all know that you're right and Jesus is wrong \ needs correcting .... therefore we take it for granted that there is\are:
no wicked people beyond death at some point
no Satanical demon entity beyond when the world ends
there is no wrath of God
there is no hell
there is torment
there is no concept of "eternal" + "torment"
therefore you should be able to answer:
trettep, tell me how many zeros to add to the equation below to ensure that someone who wasNOTwicked of all shouldNOT be tormented:
NON-Torment time equation:
10000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 00000000000000000 trillion years raised to the ______________ power.
fill in the blank for me. Let us know what is the sufficient time for God to be satisfied with the NON-torment of the NON-wicked.
and if you can give me a satisfactorily answer that Jesus provided then you will have your answer for the negative in terms in which you'd understand.
How long has reasoning together been considered trickery ?. What harm is done to anyone answering any of these reasonable questions?.
When reasoning points out that eternal punishment of any kind is NOT compatible with a loving God . . . it has to be called trickery by those who retain those two incompatible beliefs about God, pcamps. It is called cognitive dissonance and it cannot be penetrated by reason.
Ok, then instead of asking your original question in the negative,
original:
Finn_Jarber, tell me how many zeros to add to the equation below to ensure that someone who was so wicked of all should be tormented:
Torment time equation:
10000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 00000000000000000 trillion years raised to the ______________ power.
fill in the blank for me. Let us know what is the sufficient time for God to be satisfied with the torment of the wicked.
prove your theory by supplying the UR alternative.
We all know that you're right and Jesus is wrong \ needs correcting .... therefore we take it for granted that there is\are:
no wicked people beyond death at some point
no Satanical demon entity beyond when the world ends
there is no wrath of God
there is no hell
there is torment
there is no concept of "eternal" + "torment"
therefore you should be able to answer:
trettep, tell me how many zeros to add to the equation below to ensure that someone who wasNOTwicked of all shouldNOT be tormented:
NON-Torment time equation:
10000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 00000000000000000 trillion years raised to the ______________ power.
fill in the blank for me. Let us know what is the sufficient time for God to be satisfied with the NON-torment of the NON-wicked.
and if you can give me a satisfactorily answer that Jesus provided then you will have your answer for the negative in terms in which you'd understand.
TwinSpin, torment as you describe it is as a man would use it - meaning with no other curative purpose. God's punishment is done with the purpose to cure.
Remember Jesus taught that the unforgiving servant was only punished until the debt was paid.
But your preaching that an unforgiving servant will be tormented for eternity.
Mat_5:26 Verily I say unto thee, Thou shalt by no means come out thence, till thou hast paid the uttermost farthing.
Luk_12:59 I tell thee, thou shalt not depart thence, till thou hast paid the very last mite.
TwinSpin, torment as you describe it is as a man would use it - meaning with no other curative purpose. God's punishment is done with the purpose to cure.
Remember Jesus taught that the unforgiving servant was only punished until the debt was paid.
But your preaching that an unforgiving servant will be tormented for eternity.
Mat_5:26 Verily I say unto thee, Thou shalt by no means come out thence, till thou hast paid the uttermost farthing.
Luk_12:59 I tell thee, thou shalt not depart thence, till thou hast paid the very last mite.
Then answer the "till" since Jesus does not by using the UR alternative:
trettep, tell me how many zeros to add to the equation below to ensure that someone who wasNOT wicked of all shouldNOT be tormented:
NON-Torment time equation:
10000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 00000000000000000 trillion years raised to the ______________ power.
fill in the blank for me. Let us know what is the sufficient time for God to be satisfied with the NON-torment of the NON-wicked.
instead of kangaroo'ing around non-answer answers, you be definitive to prove yourself for once.
Answer the question
"what is the sufficient time for God to be satisfied with the NON-torment of the NON-wicked."
Last edited by twin.spin; 01-02-2014 at 09:43 AM..
So you believe these things and yet you also believe all these:
1.) God gives life
2.) Each of us that have had the breath of life was given to us for God's Purpose for us.
3.) God doesn't fail
4.) God's purpose for each of us doesn't fail.
5.) God finishes what He started.
6.) God knows the end from the beginning
7.) Salvation is 100% God's Work
8.) God Desires to save everyone.
9.) God desires none to be lost.
10.) God chooses us, we don't choose Him.
And yet you want us to believe also that God would contradict all those things and torment the wicked for eternity. Now you blast me as a liar but don't you realize WHY I can't believe as you do? If I did side with you at this time, I would have to accept contradiction. For what reason lowould anyone do such a thing? Tradition? - because your family believes it? or the nice people at the church believe it? Why would any rational and logical person ever embrace such a contradiction.
See, I was correct !
Now you blast me for not playing the game with you. Typical behaivior of the philosophy of universalism. Which by the way is a red flag for false teaching......
I called what I believe embracing truth in trusting God with all your heart, and not leaning on ones own understanding.... regardless what my flesh would want.
I called it embracing and walking in faith and using it as God intended it to be use, rather then logic, reasoning, by which is ones flesh and its understanding.
Being sold out to God completely. My life scripture Galatian 2:20, amen !
When reasoning points out that eternal punishment of any kind is NOT compatible with a loving God . . . it has to be called trickery by those who retain those two incompatible beliefs about God, pcamps. It is called cognitive dissonance and it cannot be penetrated by reason.
See, I was correct !
Now you blast me for not playing the game with you. Typical behaivior of the philosophy of universalism. Which by the way is a red flag for false teaching......
I called what I believe embracing truth in trusting God with all your heart, and not leaning on ones own understanding.... regardless what my flesh would want.
I called it embracing and walking in faith and using it as God intended it to be use, rather then logic, reasoning, by which is ones flesh and its understanding.
Being sold out to God completely. My life scripture Galatian 2:20, amen !
Have a nice day, trettep !
I didn't blast you at all. I blast the idea that I should embrace contradiction. Put yourselve in my shoes and look at what your wanting me to believe and the evidence your providing compared the evidence I provided. God as our witness.
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quit with the mind games 
I know just what your up to and I'm not going to fall for it and the lies.
