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We must preach the gospel to the lost, and teach the particulars to the saved. As Jesus said, there's no point in cleaning the outside before the inside.
I don't think true Christians should be pushing for any political agenda at all. Christians are not really supposed to be in tangled in politics, since they are waiting for Jesus to come and take over rulership of the whole earth anyway. So, if the government wants to give gay people the right to marry, so be it. If the government wants to get 4 people the right to marry each other, so be it. That's not for people following Christianity to decide, since they should have already known that the world was going to get more and more wicked as time goes on.
What amazes me is how people want to take the Bible and rework it to be accepting of gay people. Or rather, the behavior of gay people. Every time homosexuality is mentioned in the Bible, it's mention in a bad light. Not just in a bad light, it flat out says don't do these things. So, where is the confusion? If you don't want to listen to what the Bible says, then don't. But stop trying to rework it to say something else. I could care less about the political agendas. Make all the rules you want that benefit gay people. Just stop trying to tamper with the Bible.
yoga is sinful. I don't know this Catholic priests reasons for saying that, as I am unfamiliar with the story, but yoga was a form of eastern religion expression.
I think "was" might be the most important sentence in that quote from you there. That peope do yoga for health reasons today has little to do with any "religious expression" at all. They simply do it because there are physical health benefits to adopting and maintaining the poses. Nothing more. Nothing less.
If _that_ is sinful in your personal religion - then the opening sentence to your entire post might not be as true as you might hope. Just because a religion adopted a practice - that does not mean that practice is automatically religious. Many religions practice DANCE for example - yet how many Christians are claiming dancing to be sinful? Few I think - though they exist.
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Please show me where it says that in the Bible?
I think they might be trying the 10 commandments on that one - in that since yoga originated as a religious practice - that engaging in it is therefore seen as false gods - idolatory - and so forth.
Eating bread is part of Christian relgiious practices though - but I do not see Muslims condeming that because it happened to be something another religion do.
I don't think true Christians should be pushing for any political agenda at all. Christians are not really supposed to be in tangled in politics, since they are waiting for Jesus to come and take over rulership of the whole earth anyway. So, if the government wants to give gay people the right to marry, so be it. If the government wants to get 4 people the right to marry each other, so be it. That's not for people following Christianity to decide, since they should have already known that the world was going to get more and more wicked as time goes on.
I disagree. Where does the Bible forbid Christians to be involved with politics? Granted I think there are certain aspects of politics that are ungodly, but it's more about the heart of the people than politics itself that is the real issue. The thing is though, is it really sinful to be American? Are you advocating that we should not vote? I mean voting is part of the political process, is it not?
No as Christians we should not be in the business of telling people what to do, but if we have the opportunity to exercise our view of what is right and best for our nation, then why should we not express our views by at least voting? How do you proclaim the gospel if you don't believe it's our job to proclaim what's right or wrong? Again there is a difference to me from telling someone how to live versus being asked what I believe is right or wrong.
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What amazes me is how people want to take the Bible and rework it to be accepting of gay people. Or rather, the behavior of gay people. Every time homosexuality is mentioned in the Bible, it's mention in a bad light. Not just in a bad light, it flat out says don't do these things. So, where is the confusion? If you don't want to listen to what the Bible says, then don't. But stop trying to rework it to say something else. I could care less about the political agendas. Make all the rules you want that benefit gay people. Just stop trying to tamper with the Bible.
Yes getting involved in politics does advance the gospel.
If Christians do not be the salt and light in this world to influence legislation that allows Christians to speak the faith, they will lose that ability.
A very good video I recommend everyone watching.. Atheists would love if Christians just buried there heads in the sand and let them run the country.
The Pharisees were concerned with the Law and how people should act. Jesus told them they were wrong because you cannot save someone by forcing them to behave righteously. It is only by the inward change of Christ can people truly become righteous.
Jesus brought the gospel to the people, through His testimony, not through laws or politics. Besides, our calling is beyond the borders of the United States or whatever country you are in.
Matthew 28:16-20
And Jesus came and spoke to them, saying, “All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth. Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all things that I have commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age.” Amen.
The scripture tells us to obey the authorities placed over us, just as Jesus did. He told us to give to Caesar what is Caesars and to God what is Gods. Peter tells us how we should submit to Earthly authority.
1 Peter 2:13-25
Be subject for the Lord's sake to every human institution, whether it be to the emperor as supreme, or to governors as sent by him to punish those who do evil and to praise those who do good. For this is the will of God, that by doing good you should put to silence the ignorance of foolish people. Live as people who are free, not using your freedom as a cover-up for evil, but living as servants of God. Honor everyone. Love the brotherhood. Fear God. Honor the emperor.
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The Pharisees were concerned with the Law and how people should act. Jesus told them they were wrong because you cannot save someone by forcing them to behave righteously. It is only by the inward change of Christ can people truly become righteous.
Jesus brought the gospel to the people, through His testimony, not through laws or politics. Besides, our calling is beyond the borders of the United States or whatever country you are in.
Matthew 28:16-20
And Jesus came and spoke to them, saying, “All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth. Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all things that I have commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age.” Amen.
The scripture tells us to obey the authorities placed over us, just as Jesus did. He told us to give to Caesar what is Caesars and to God what is Gods. Peter tells us how we should submit to Earthly authority.
1 Peter 2:13-25
Be subject for the Lord's sake to every human institution, whether it be to the emperor as supreme, or to governors as sent by him to punish those who do evil and to praise those who do good. For this is the will of God, that by doing good you should put to silence the ignorance of foolish people. Live as people who are free, not using your freedom as a cover-up for evil, but living as servants of God. Honor everyone. Love the brotherhood. Fear God. Honor the emperor.
There goes voting as it is an attempt to make people do something (or make them not do it). PLus look where all the good christians voting have got us.................. they become shareres with the wicked ones they support.
There goes voting as it is an attempt to make people do something (or make them not do it). PLus look where all the good christians voting have got us.................. they become shareres with the wicked ones they support.
Everyone has free will, which is how God created us. Everyone has the choice to accept or reject the gospel of Christ. Jesus commanded us to preach it to as many people as we can and allow the Holy Spirit to work within them. Laws cannot change hearts.
There is nothing wrong with voting, because it is a natural part of our government and you are not being disobedient to authority by voting. However, there is no law that could be passed to save someone's soul.
There is nothing wrong with voting, because it is a natural part of our government and you are not being disobedient to authority by voting. However, there is no law that could be passed to save someone's soul.
Making it a natural right in any Country does not make it right. However once you do you become a sharer with the one you vote into office, and if he does what is wrong before God in that position, you share the guilt for helping him get there.
NIV 1 Timothy 5:22 Do not be hasty in the laying on of hands, and do not share in the sins of others. Keep yourself pure.
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