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You're getting closer. It was God's perfect love for us that sent Jesus to die a horrible death. It was God's perfect justice that required such a sacrifice. Both were fulfilled at the cross.
Forgiveness is an acknowledgement of a wrongful act: "Father, forgive them, for they know not what they do," which recognizes the truth of the matter.
It does not transfer blame to that of the victim, rather, it releases them from the bondage of the perpetrator(s). So close, yet so far away.
"His countenance carried the love of God, while his body bore the sins of men."
I agree of cause Mystic and if the death burial and resurrection of Jesus means anything it means a rising from the dead from these primitive beliefs held by the savage beliefs of the anscestors.
No it did not require the sacrifice that you subscribe too, for God was not pleased with such. Again you still like twinspin are not grasping the true meaning of the justice Jesus spoke of.
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Originally Posted by jimmiej
Wrong!
Isaiah 53
10 But the Lord was pleased
To crush Him, putting Him to grief;
If He would render Himself as a guilt offering.
Wronger! That was written by a primitive 800 years before the birth of Christ. In their minds EVERYTHING that ever happened to anyone was the result of God punishing or rewarding them . . . EVERYTHING including their own actions and that of others. There was no concept of accident, or human responsibility even. You are in the 21st century accepting the beliefs of a savage barbarian from 800 BCE.
Wronger! That was written by a primitive 800 years before the birth of Christ. In their minds EVERYTHING that ever happened to anyone was the result of God punishing or rewarding them . . . EVERYTHING including their own actions and that of others. There was no concept of accident, or human responsibility even. You are in the 21st century accepting the beliefs of a savage barbarian from 800 BCE.
Wrongest! That is your opinion, not scriptural. Jesus told us to heed the prophets.
Wronger! That was written by a primitive 800 years before the birth of Christ. In their minds EVERYTHING that ever happened to anyone was the result of God punishing or rewarding them . . . EVERYTHING including their own actions and that of others. There was no concept of accident, or human responsibility even. You are in the 21st century accepting the beliefs of a savage barbarian from 800 BCE.
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Originally Posted by jimmiej
Wrongest! That is your opinion, not scriptural. Jesus told us to heed the prophets.
Only because they testified of Him and He was trying to get the barbarians of His day to recognize who He was!!!
As for me, I will behold thy face in righteousness: I shall be satisfied, when I awake, with thy likeness.
This verse refers to God's holiness. How does that confirm this?
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Originally Posted by pcamps
I agree of cause Mystic and if the death burial and resurrection of Jesus means anything it means a rising from the dead from these primitive beliefs held by the savage beliefs of the anscestors.
Wrongest! That is your opinion, not scriptural. Jesus told us to heed the prophets.
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Originally Posted by MysticPhD
Only because they testified of Him and He was trying to get the barbarians of His day to recognize who He was!!!
Jesus never accused anyone of being barbarians. Isaiah confirms what Jesus later said, "This is my blood, which confirms the covenant between God and his people. It is poured out as a sacrifice to forgive the sins of many." Matt. 26:28
If you cannot see the resurrection story in that verse I cannot help you. B
Both read the Bible day and night, but thou read black where I read white.
William Blake
Cop out! You're right though, I don't see your point.
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