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If homosexuality is such an important issue, why didn't Jesus ever address it? Some conservatives will say he actually did when he said "Haven't you read," he replied, "that at the beginning the Creator 'made them male and female?" but beyond that passive reference to marriage as between a man and a woman, he never mentioned homosexuality. If it really is a nation-destroying sin on the level that most evangelicals today believe it to be, why didn't Jesus give in more attention? You would think something this big, something so evil that God will completely wipe away an entire society for simply tolerating would at least have been mentioned. Something that significant wouldn't be simply implied, it would be clarified. It isn't like homosexuality wasn't practiced in the Roman world. It was. It was probably more widespread during that era than it has been any time since until the current era.
Paul addressed it in the letter to the Romans, but outside of that one mention, there isn't an explicit mention of homosexuality in the entire New Testament. Being that this seems to be one of the central issues of fundamentalist Christianity in 2015, you would think it would be one of the central issues of the New Testament yet I don't see it.
Thoughts?
Jesus did not come to address sin, call it out or categorize what was and what wasn't sin, but he did expose it in the fundamentalists, purely because of their hypocrisy...... Look you bunch of hypocrites if you look at a woman to lust after her you have committed adultery, so quit judging folk who have actually performed the act. In other words i am here to even the playing field and play by my rules.......... I am here in the name of forgiveness, mercy, love and grace, and i have all of it in abundance. He came to show us the heart of the Father and that the Father is not mad with us, but desires us to return to him, recognize who you are to him so that you no longer live a life of frustration by missing the mark. This is the Jesus Christ of the bible.
No not a personal revelation, merely guidance thru the Word of God and all faithful can see the same if they just put self aside.
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Originally Posted by Wardendresden
The Holy Spirit told me just the opposite. I like the one that loves everybody and doesn't leave out homosexuals or anyone else. Your holy spirit is too fickle.
Actually the Holy Spirit that guides me does the same, but He does expect repentance of sins.
Maybe you didn't get the point Jesus was making or wantonly not willing to, in either case when Jesus said what he did, he in fact is saying that yes evildoers do NOT act out of the love ... love for God and the Truth and so are justly damned\condemned for it.
Jesus makes it very plain that evildoers do NOT act out of the love when he says:
"Outside are the dogs, those who practice magic arts, the sexually immoral, the murderers, the idolaters and everyone who loves and practices falsehood." ~ Jesus
Maybe you missed MY point: You said those verses refuted my claim of a paradigm shift from law to love as basis for conduct and judgement. The ONLY way it would do so is if those evildoers were acting out of love. They were NOT, paradigm shift stands. Judgement is about what is in their hearts.
Maybe you missed MY point: You said those verses refuted my claim of a paradigm shift from law to love as basis for conduct and judgement. The ONLY way it would do so is if those evildoers were acting out of love. They were NOT, paradigm shift stands. Judgement is about what is in their hearts.
Do you honestly believe that Adam and Eve are prime examples of what a marriage and child-rearing should be all about.
Fail!
Oh, I should also mention that A&E were not married as far as we know.
As for your "not messing with marriage as God created it" ...you're surely not serious, are you? Biblical marriage completely disregards the woman (she being the property of the male) and present-day marriages that result in a 50% divorce rate certainly indicate that people are doing a fine job of "messing with marriage as God created it" ...!
Or, is homosexuality the cause for heterosexuals jumping out of their "God-ordained' marriages?
Why would Jesus have taken the opportunity to include homosexuality in His answer to a question asked of Him by His opponents with regard to divorce BETWEEN a man and a woman? That WOULD have been not only weird but also totally irrelevant!
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Best not trouble Viz with facts. They upset him. He can't digest them. Lack of an enzyme or something, I'm not sure. I'm a writer, not a doctor.
I couldn't let this one go by without at least a just as you did.
Do you honestly believe that Adam and Eve are prime examples of what a marriage and child-rearing should be all about.
Fail!
Oh, I should also mention that A&E were not married as far as we know.
As for your "not messing with marriage as God created it" ...you're surely not serious, are you? Biblical marriage completely disregards the woman (she being the property of the male) and present-day marriages that result in a 50% divorce rate certainly indicate that people are doing a fine job of "messing with marriage as God created it" ...!
Or, is homosexuality the cause for heterosexuals jumping out of their "God-ordained' marriages?
Why would Jesus have taken the opportunity to include homosexuality in His answer to a question asked of Him by His opponents with regard to divorce BETWEEN a man and a woman? That WOULD have been not only weird but also totally irrelevant!
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I'm happy to be able to rep you on this one, Romulus.
Keep educating people. You never know who might just have a light bulb moment. Probably none of the ardently anti-gay posters on this forum. Personally, I'm convinced they LIKE walking around with a bag over their heads. But you never know who is out there in the ether. And you never know which, and how many, lives will be changed.
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Why didn't Jesus address homosexuality?
