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Well, of course (bolded above). I should be concerned with me. Nevertheless, to share the gospel with someone, you have to help them confront the sin that separates them from God.
Isaiah 59:2
It's your sins that have cut you off from God. Because of your sins, he has turned away and will not listen anymore.
But then you offer them no solution to their supposed "sin", as bryan pointed out when he said that being a Christian is no guarantee of "good behavior". You insist people are cut off from God and that God doesn't listen to them because of their sin, and then tell them that even as a Christian they're not going to stop sinning. But somehow even though they're still sinning, NOW God's going to start listening to you as a Christian simply because you believe the "right things". It's not good enough to believe that God forgives you, mind you. You have to believe that God forgives you through a particular mechanism (penal substitution), or else God can't forgive you.
But, regardless, believing the "right things" doesn't make you any more able to stop sinning than a non-Christian. THIS is why you guys need to hold on so tightly to the idea of eternal torment as a just result of people sinning. Because that's the only thing you supposedly offer a solution to and you've got absolutely nothing else to offer of any worth.
But, regardless, believing the "right things" doesn't make you any more able to stop sinning than a non-Christian.
I cant' speak for everyone, but the Christians I know are willing to stop sinning. The desire to live in habitual sin dies in the believer. That is a part of being 'made new'. As a result sinning is reduced significantly. However, being 100% sinless is impossible.
So, yes, it does make you more able to stop/reduce sinning.
But then you offer them no solution to their supposed "sin", as bryan pointed out when he said that being a Christian is no guarantee of "good behavior". You insist people are cut off from God and that God doesn't listen to them because of their sin, and then tell them that even as a Christian they're not going to stop sinning. But somehow even though they're still sinning, NOW God's going to start listening to you as a Christian simply because you believe the "right things". It's not good enough to believe that God forgives you, mind you. You have to believe that God forgives you through a particular mechanism (penal substitution), or else God can't forgive you.
But, regardless, believing the "right things" doesn't make you any more able to stop sinning than a non-Christian. THIS is why you guys need to hold on so tightly to the idea of eternal torment as a just result of people sinning. Because that's the only thing you supposedly offer a solution to and you've got absolutely nothing else to offer of any worth.
When a person believes a lie, it's difficult to see the truth.
But then you offer them no solution to their supposed "sin", as bryan pointed out when he said that being a Christian is no guarantee of "good behavior". You insist people are cut off from God and that God doesn't listen to them because of their sin, and then tell them that even as a Christian they're not going to stop sinning. But somehow even though they're still sinning, NOW God's going to start listening to you as a Christian simply because you believe the "right things". It's not good enough to believe that God forgives you, mind you. You have to believe that God forgives you through a particular mechanism (penal substitution), or else God can't forgive you.
But, regardless, believing the "right things" doesn't make you any more able to stop sinning than a non-Christian. THIS is why you guys need to hold on so tightly to the idea of eternal torment as a just result of people sinning. Because that's the only thing you supposedly offer a solution to and you've got absolutely nothing else to offer of any worth.
The solution is the blood of Christ, which covers sin. Believing (sincerely) causes Christ's righteousness to be imputed to the believer, resulting in salvation from the penalty of sin. A belief from the heart results in a "new man" or a desire to live righteously. That is called sanctification and is a lifelong process. It's impossible to live completely sinless in the flesh.
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But then you offer them no solution to their supposed "sin", as bryan pointed out when he said that being a Christian is no guarantee of "good behavior". You insist people are cut off from God and that God doesn't listen to them because of their sin, and then tell them that even as a Christian they're not going to stop sinning. But somehow even though they're still sinning, NOW God's going to start listening to you as a Christian simply because you believe the "right things". It's not good enough to believe that God forgives you, mind you. You have to believe that God forgives you through a particular mechanism (penal substitution), or else God can't forgive you.
But, regardless, believing the "right things" doesn't make you any more able to stop sinning than a non-Christian. THIS is why you guys need to hold on so tightly to the idea of eternal torment as a just result of people sinning. Because that's the only thing you supposedly offer a solution to and you've got absolutely nothing else to offer of any worth.
Exactly Pleroo, their belief system is full of holes, hypocrisy, false expressions and contradictions.
The solution is the blood of Christ, which covers sin. Believing (sincerely) causes Christ's righteousness to be imputed to the believer, resulting in salvation from the penalty spot of sin. A belief from the heart results in a "new man" or a desire to live righteously. That is called sanctification and is a lifelong process. It's impossible to live completely sinless in the flesh.
I call it scapegoating, taking no responsibility for oneself.
Now, gird up your loins and prepare to take action.
The solution is the blood of Christ, which covers sin. Believing (sincerely) causes Christ's righteousness to be imputed to the believer, resulting in salvation from the penalty spot f sin. A belief from the heart results in a "new man" or a desire to live righteously. That is called sanctification and is a lifelong process. It's impossible to live completely sinless in the flesh.
The new man is God conscious. He doesn't talk about sin or sin in others. So no points for guessing who you are living by when you are talking about sin in self or others and worse still calling yourself a sinner(sounds humble but in truth is the root cause of your sin).
Really? A correlation between porn viewing and adultery? I smell a rat. This is a clear situation of linking two behaviors, one of which has no actual definable harm, with one that does, because the first is also objectionable. And, why should Christian men take the brunt of accusation? If porn is really so, bad then its bad for men AND women, and of any walk of life, any degree of spirituality, or not. But we can't make those claims. Porn use is distasteful to those not accustomed to viewing it. I get that. Get over yourselves. I wonder if all those Christian men using porn aren't doing so because their Christian wives are empowered by Christian culture to be uptight and frigid (edit: and Christian men wouldn't have them any other way). Christian culture is not known for its open acceptance of any aspect of human sexuality, save for the reproductive one. Little surprise then that Christian households are often beset by scandals rooted in sexual dysfunction.
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I call it scapegoating, taking no responsibility for oneself.
Now, gird up your loins and prepare to take action.
When you stand before God, tell Him you take responsibility for your sins. Me, I'll claim Jesus.
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