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Old 02-08-2016, 07:12 AM
 
Location: USA
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Those who do not live by the law will die by the law.
There are no exceptions whatsoever...

Obedience to the law drives a man to Christ ....
Who BY THE LAW suffered and died to take the measure of divine justice away from those who accept Him...
Who BY THE LAW allows saving grace to be imparted upon those who accept it ACCORDING TO THE LAW...

Therefore they are saved by Christ WHO FULFILLED THE LAW in providing an escape from punishment...
we are thus enabled to live BY THE LAW since it is engraved upon our minds and in our hearts by the Holy Spirit...

Oh foolish man, do you think that being saved by grace you are now permitted to break it?

NO MAN HAS A LICENSE TO SIN.

ever....

Not before he is saved and most certainly not after..
Have you not read that JUDGMENT BEGINS IN THE HOUSE OF GOD?

Therefore be advised oh man that the blood of Christ saves from punishment for sin...
that the blood of Christ sets a man free from the power of sin....
that the blood of Christ DOES NOT give any man the right or freedom to break the law.

EVER

Having then been saved by this gracious act of Almighty God, what then are a man's obligations before God?
They are to act in moral fashion in every way. To serve God always in holy fashion - because He watches with intimate eyes every act and thought and dream a man has....to do His will....which is all righteousness all the time.

Many have confused Jewish custom and ritual with THE LAW. Sacrifice has passed away. Tradition and ceremony are not required BUT TO OBEY THE LAW is a high and noble calling for every man and woman that calls themselves by the name of Christ Jesus - Messiah Yeshuah.

Beware the lies of the enemy oh man. They lead away from the holy calling of God upon our lives.

Objections to the law do not serve liberty. They serve satan and excuse sin. Beware the lies of the enemy of all men.

and that's me, hollering from the choir loft....
Hey old man, how can you stand to think that way? And did you really think about it before you made the rules?
-- Bruce Hornsby
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Old 02-08-2016, 08:19 AM
 
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Jesus told everyone that the Law was still in effect, however, I think his point was, is it being observed out of fear or love...
Jesus only came to the lost sheep of the house of Israel. So maybe Jesus only told the Jews who were the recipients of the law that! I never saw a reference to Jesus addressing Gentiles with this message.
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Old 02-08-2016, 09:11 AM
 
Location: On the brink of WWIII
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My wife who was a very dedicated Christian (born again) prayed and begged for Gods mercy and grace and was rewarded with our son's death. You were saying?
Grace or Mercy is not a guarantee, nor does it OBLIGATE God to do our bidding.

We each must come to terms with what God gives or takes from us. It is NO reflection on us as a believer in terms of the strength or commitment of our faith and belief.

If we only see God as a granter of prayer, or provider of status, aren't we missing the idea of what God really is?
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Old 02-08-2016, 09:29 AM
 
Location: US
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Jesus only came to the lost sheep of the house of Israel. So maybe Jesus only told the Jews who were the recipients of the law that! I never saw a reference to Jesus addressing Gentiles with this message.
That's what I've always said, he came for the lost sheep of the house of Israel....However, until Paul started poking his nose into things, Gentiles were converting to Judaism to join the sect of the Way...You can see this in Isaiah 56 regarding how Gentiles come closer to G-d...It wasn't until Peter had his vision that Gentiles were permitted to join the sect...And they converted to Judaism, because, at that point it was still a Jewish sect....The Ebionites were decended from the group that formed the Jerusalem Council that you read about in Acts...
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Old 02-08-2016, 09:38 AM
 
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Originally Posted by Choir Loft View Post
Those who do not live by the law will die by the law.
There are no exceptions whatsoever...

Obedience to the law drives a man to Christ ....
Who BY THE LAW suffered and died to take the measure of divine justice away from those who accept Him...
Who BY THE LAW allows saving grace to be imparted upon those who accept it ACCORDING TO THE LAW...

Therefore they are saved by Christ WHO FULFILLED THE LAW in providing an escape from punishment...
we are thus enabled to live BY THE LAW since it is engraved upon our minds and in our hearts by the Holy Spirit...

Oh foolish man, do you think that being saved by grace you are now permitted to break it?

NO MAN HAS A LICENSE TO SIN.

ever....

Not before he is saved and most certainly not after..
Have you not read that JUDGMENT BEGINS IN THE HOUSE OF GOD?

Therefore be advised oh man that the blood of Christ saves from punishment for sin...
that the blood of Christ sets a man free from the power of sin....
that the blood of Christ DOES NOT give any man the right or freedom to break the law.

EVER

Having then been saved by this gracious act of Almighty God, what then are a man's obligations before God?
They are to act in moral fashion in every way. To serve God always in holy fashion - because He watches with intimate eyes every act and thought and dream a man has....to do His will....which is all righteousness all the time.

Many have confused Jewish custom and ritual with THE LAW. Sacrifice has passed away. Tradition and ceremony are not required BUT TO OBEY THE LAW is a high and noble calling for every man and woman that calls themselves by the name of Christ Jesus - Messiah Yeshuah.

Beware the lies of the enemy oh man. They lead away from the holy calling of God upon our lives.

Objections to the law do not serve liberty. They serve satan and excuse sin. Beware the lies of the enemy of all men.

and that's me, hollering from the choir loft....
Fulfilling the Law means to interpret it correctly...It's a Hebraic idiom...Killing the Law means to interpret it incorrectly or change it or take from or add to...
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Old 02-08-2016, 09:44 AM
 
Location: Southern Oregon
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Fulfilling the Law means to interpret it correctly...It's a Hebraic idiom...Killing the Law means to interpret it incorrectly or change it or take from or add to...
So, in the quote we are talking about "not one jot or tittle shall pass from the Law until all has been interpreted correctly?

Another Richardism? I should start a collection.
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Old 02-08-2016, 09:47 AM
 
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So, in the quote we are talking about "not one jot or tittle shall pass from the Law until all has been interpreted correctly?

Another Richardism? I should start a collection.
No...If you would actually do some honest research then you would know it to be true...

Here, I'll help you out... - http://www.lightofmashiach.org/fulfill.html
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Old 02-08-2016, 12:48 PM
 
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No...If you would actually do some honest research then you would know it to be true...
Jesus when speaking of the son of man was speaking of the prophets and himself. When He said He came to fulfill the law He was speaking of all the prophets filling the Law or supplying it with the word of God. Jesus used a lot of smoke screens because the word is made known to those who serve the Father in spirit and truth. It is something earned.

Now let's take a different approach and interpret the Matthew 5 passage in it's most literal sense. First let's define the terminology: The word 'fulfil' used here in Greek is pleroo (Strong's 4137) meaning "fill up" "make complete" "fully preach" "to supply" and "to perfect.
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Old 02-08-2016, 05:47 PM
 
Location: Southern Oregon
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No...If you would actually do some honest research then you would know it to be true...

Here, I'll help you out... - Completion: Fulfilling Torah and Prophets (Messianic Judaism)
I checked and it still makes no sense. Try explaining what "pass from the Law UNTIL" means in those terms.
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Old 02-08-2016, 05:57 PM
 
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That's what I've always said, he came for the lost sheep of the house of Israel....However, until Paul started poking his nose into things, Gentiles were converting to Judaism to join the sect of the Way...You can see this in Isaiah 56 regarding how Gentiles come closer to G-d...It wasn't until Peter had his vision that Gentiles were permitted to join the sect...And they converted to Judaism, because, at that point it was still a Jewish sect....The Ebionites were decended from the group that formed the Jerusalem Council that you read about in Acts...
Yes, the Gentiles did sometimes convert to Judaism. But since God set that aside for now and gave the "Mystery" to Paul that is not how it works today.
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