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eternal destruction for babies? Eternal destructive for some native american 12 year old dying of disease in the middle of the Amazon that never heard of Jews or Jesus?
The bible teaches--the wicked will be destroyed. It didn't mention babies or children who never heard of Jesus. Gods will is what will occur.
Yes ... so much for "church fell into apostasy" when Jesus said:
"I am with you always even to the end of the age"
Yes ... so much for "those are trinity-based translations" when Jesus said:
"My words will never pass away"
Yes ... so much for "lucky you, that we came onto the scene; for without belonging to us, you'd never .... " when Jesus said:
"I am the way to the Father" ... not card carrying membership which enables privileges
"Trust in God, trust also in Me" .... not some organization equivalent of an Pontiff Papal bull Unam sanctam
Fact is believing God that has kept the Bible preserved, the Church non-apostate, beief of these basic 5 truths
Sola scriptura
Sola fide
Sola gratia
Sola Christus or Solo Christo
Sola Deo gloria
has the impact of certain entities unnecessary for existence.
The bible foretold of the apostasy-2Thess 2:3
Undeniable fact of reality--- The Israelites from Moses on up while serving the only true living God, taught and served--a single being God named-YHWH(Jehovah)-- the God Jesus was taught and he went to worship--The God, Jesus and his real teachers teach is Jesus' God as well= The Father. John 20:17, Rev 3:12-- 2Cor 1:3, 1Cor 8:6, 1Cor 15:24-28--- 1Peter 1:3-- Rev 1:6= 100% fact.
There is no trinity god in existence--the apostasy that created the trinity god never had Jesus.
Undeniable fact of reality--- The Israelites from Moses on up while serving the only true living God, taught and served--a single being God named-YHWH(Jehovah)-- the God Jesus was taught and he went to worship--The God, Jesus and his real teachers teach is Jesus' God as well= The Father. John 20:17, Rev 3:12-- 2Cor 1:3, 1Cor 8:6, 1Cor 15:24-28--- 1Peter 1:3-- Rev 1:6= 100% fact.
There is no trinity god in existence--the apostasy that created the trinity god never had Jesus.
Apostasy has been occurring since before the bible was assembled.
Why on earth did He allow corruption to enter in at all? How did He decide where to draw the line?
Free Will, He let us chose to serve Him or ourselves and Satan. He also has given man enough time to see how rule by man worked out. Very bad and getting worse.
We have absolutely zero original documents and hundreds of different translations. When human beings are involved in the preservation, transcription and translation of any ancient texts, there are going to be errors. That's a no-brainer. You seem to be okay with a certain amount of "corruption" in the texts, but have a zero-tolerance policy for any corruption in the Church. That just doesn't make sense to me.
Falacy.
There are over 5000 extant MS of the Bible (More than any other book in ancient history) and the actual variations are mainly spelling. The few actual "corruptions", like 1 John5:7 are easy to identify and actually do not teach anything contrary to scripture. The idea we do not know what God had recorded, is an excuse many use to favor what they now claim is true. A false argument.
As to corruption in the "Church" it is there at the leadership level since the 1st century. Corrupt people enter every church, which is a different thing entirely. The leadership went corrupt as foretold. If we are in the Harvest/last days true Christians/wheat are being gathered into one storehouse out of that corrupt field. If we are not in that time period then all Churches are run by a corrupt leadership.
Take your pick.
Wheat has always existed, but it has always, as foretold by Jesus, been the minority.
And who was it that compiled the canon if not the leadership?
Just as the OT canon was compiled by a corrupt Jewish priesthood, God gets what he wants done.
The claims of great corruption, so we cannot know what it really said and must rely on new inspiration, is simply a self serving argument that a hundred years ago sounded good, but no longer.
Remember beyond the extant MS we have thousands of quotes in the writings of the early church fathers that substantiate the readings. The corruption was more in teachings that contradict the Bible, or based on man made traditions, and it is still going on today.
God protects His word and it does not have to be exact as translating into various languages makes a difference and requires some thought even when reading a "good" translation. Jesus set the example by quoting from the original Hebrew and from the Greek translation (LXX) as did the Apostles, even though some differences existed in the translation. The main thoughts never changed.
We are supposed to learn from the Bible, not try to diss it, if we claim to follow Christ as he used the original Hebrew and a translation with no problem. A good example to follow, to avoid being misled by men.
We are supposed to learn from the Bible, not try to diss it, if we claim to follow Christ ...
I would never "diss" the Bible. Saying it's not a perfect or a complete account of God's dealings with mankind is not "dissing" it. Also, I don't believe we're supposed to "diss" other Christians if we claim to follow Christ. Some people seem to think it's okay to, though.
What I find interesting is how these religions can destroy people's lives condemning them. People are born gay or lesbian. Some people are born with two sexes. Why did God do that? What are they supposed to do? Personally, I don't believe in this kind of God, but I do believe that people should not do harm in the name of religion, and the JWs have done much more harm than any good.
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