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The bible is contradictory on the topic. As mentioned many times, there is the case of David and Jonathan who clearly were in love, but then you will find a passage commanding the stoning of two men who have slept together.
Written by different people the bible was bound to have contradictions.
David and Jonathan were good close friends. Nothing more. There is NOTHING in the Bible that says specifically that they were lovers.
David and Jonathan were good close friends. Nothing more. There is NOTHING in the Bible that says specifically that they were lovers.
There is more in the Bible specifying that David and Jonathan were lovers than there is any scripture specifying that homosexuality as we today define the term is 'a sin'.
Really, the "no harm" argument again? It's pointless because you will stubbornly refuse to accept anything even remotely negatively about gays. I have posted countless times how the gay lifestyle has lead to the spread of HIV and STDS ....
I have posted countless times how the gay lifestyle has lead to the spread of HIV and STDS
And you have been corrected countless times on the lies you told while doing so, your mis-use and distortion and cherry picking of studies and statistics, and your wanton (and I suspect willful) misuse of science while doing it.
Not only that but you have not defined what the "Gay lifestyle" even is or means..... let alone established that the majority of homosexuals conform to whatever that definition is. Rather you ignore the majority of homosexuals and focus solely on a sub group of them that conform to the narrative you wish to invent for homosexuality as a whole.
Not nearly on the scale as homosexuality. Do you really dispute this FACT?
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The CDC reports that in 2009, MSM accounted for 61% of all new HIV infections and that MSM who had a history of recreational drug injection accounted for an additional 3% of new infections. Among the approximately 784,701 people living with an HIV diagnosis, 396,810 (51%) were MSM. About 48% of MSM living with an HIV diagnosis were white, 30% were black, and 19% were Hispanic or Latino. Although the majority of MSM are white, non-whites accounted for 54% of new infections HIV related MSM infections in 2008.[7] A recent study estimated that for every 100,000 MSM, 692 will be diagnosed with HIV. This makes MSM 60 times more likely to contract the virus than other men and 54 times more likely than women.[22]
60 times. See that, 60 times? That means homosexual behavior is significantly much dangerous than heterosexual behavior.
It's dangerous to THEM. I would think that would make you happy. If so many more of these people for whom you cultivate a deep and abiding hatred get sick and possibly die, isn't that what you want?
On the other hand, perhaps if we tell them the truth, that we understand that they are who they are and that we accept them as they are because we know that God calls us to do so, perhaps they would come to value themselves more and seek lasting relationships instead of indulging in risky practices that bring them harm.
It's dangerous to THEM. I would think that would make you happy. If so many more of these people for whom you cultivate a deep and abiding hatred get sick and possibly die, isn't that what you want?
It's sickening that you have to constantly fabricate an image of Bible believing Christians as people that would hate and actually want to see harm come to gay people. No, it doesn't make me happy. My heart goes out to the suffering. But if you knew that a certain activity was causing a disease on a large scale, why would you not campaign to stop doing that activity? Instead, you want to encourage them to keep on doing it.
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Originally Posted by Mightyqueen801
On the other hand, perhaps if we tell them the truth, that we understand that they are who they are and that we accept them as they are because we know that God calls us to do so, perhaps they would come to value themselves more and seek lasting relationships instead of indulging in risky practices that bring them harm.
The truth is that their sexual desires are not their identity. They are equal human beings created for a purpose from God with unique personalities and talents. Even though I disagree with their lifestyle, I never support bullying, mocking or running down a gay person. Yet you apparently support doing the exact same thing to fundamental Christians.
It's dangerous to THEM. I would think that would make you happy. If so many more of these people for whom you cultivate a deep and abiding hatred get sick and possibly die, isn't that what you want?
On the other hand, perhaps if we tell them the truth, that we understand that they are who they are and that we accept them as they are because we know that God calls us to do so, perhaps they would come to value themselves more and seek lasting relationships instead of indulging in risky practices that bring them harm.
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Originally Posted by jeffbase40
Not nearly on the scale as homosexuality. Do you really dispute this FACT?
60 times. See that, 60 times? That means homosexual behavior is significantly much dangerous than heterosexual behavior.
"College athletes appear to be at higher risk than their nonathletic peers for certain maladaptive lifestyle behaviors. Athlete subgroups at highest risk include male athletes and athletes participating in contact sports. Athletes at risk for one high-risk behavior demonstrated an increased risk for multiple risk-taking behaviors." http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9397325
Maybe you should take up a crusade against college athletes?
"College athletes appear to be at higher risk than their nonathletic peers for certain maladaptive lifestyle behaviors. Athlete subgroups at highest risk include male athletes and athletes participating in contact sports. Athletes at risk for one high-risk behavior demonstrated an increased risk for multiple risk-taking behaviors." Lifestyles and health risks of collegiate athletes: a multi-center study. - PubMed - NCBI
Maybe you should take up a crusade against college athletes?
It's dangerous to THEM. I would think that would make you happy. If so many more of these people for whom you cultivate a deep and abiding hatred get sick and possibly die, isn't that what you want?
On the other hand, perhaps if we tell them the truth, that we understand that they are who they are and that we accept them as they are because we know that God calls us to do so, perhaps they would come to value themselves more and seek lasting relationships instead of indulging in risky practices that bring them harm.
Most long time homosexuals lifestyles always end with HIV or AIDS when they tell their sobbing story. All but one testimony I have heard in church over the years from former homosexuals didnt end with them catching HIV.
It makes no one happy to see that happen to anyone gay or straight that is why people would like to see them change from their ways. EVERY former gay testimony Ive heard, they ALL regret that lifestyle, and while they repented and got right with God and stopped practicing that sexual immorality, they still had to live with e consequences afterwards.
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