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I'm amazed that Christians are so brainwashed that they cannot see the obvious intent of the bible. It is nothing more than Jewish elders justifying their absurdities and power using a false god.
I'm amazed that Christians are so brainwashed that they cannot see the obvious intent of the bible. It is nothing more than Jewish elders justifying their absurdities and power using a false god.
a choice must be given, that is the whole point, maat.
Clearly, it is not. The only thing we have here is a SINGLE verse that is directing a form of punishment AFTER a crime has taken place. God is only saying here that if a member of the tribe murders his slave, he gets the equal punishment. It is not making a statement that the act of slavery is perfectly fine.
Furthermore, you have this verse which strickly forbids beating a slave:
"When a man strikes the eye of his slave, male or female, and destroys it, he shall let the slave go free because of his eye. If he knocks out the tooth of his slave, male or female, he shall let the slave go free because of his tooth."
-Exodus 21:26-27
You have to look at these verses in their culture context, not ours. They didn't have jail cells back then to punish a master. Your status in life had everything to do with which family you were born into so being a slave was certainly a lot better than starving to death in a desert.
13 cinnamon and spice, incense, myrrh, and frankincense; wine and oil, flour and wheat; cattle, sheep, horses, and chariots. And slaves - their terrible traffic in human lives.
God condemns slavery, tacitly, in more than one place, and Christ does so directly, using the word "slavery" obliquely, because physical slavery pales in context to spiritual slavery, and despite the misguided's moaning about slavery, God cares about the spiritual kind, the kind that matters. Iow you do not even know what slavery is, if you think that God condones "slavery."
Revelation 18:12"cargo of gold, silver, precious stones, and pearls; of fine linen, purple, silk, and scarlet; of all kinds of citron wood and every article of ivory and precious wood, of bronze, iron, and marble; 13of cinnamon, spice, incense, myrrh, and frankincense; of wine, olive oil, fine flour, and wheat; of cattle, sheep, horses, and chariots; of slaves and souls of men."
Traffic in slaves is no more condemned than olive oil. Where does the bolded addition to scripture come from? It seems to be a commentary on the Greek "and souls of men," which only receives condemnation in our own minds.
Clearly, it is not. The only thing we have here is a SINGLE verse that is directing a form of punishment AFTER a crime has taken place. God is only saying here that if a member of the tribe murders his slave, he gets the equal punishment. It is not making a statement that the act of slavery is perfectly fine.
Furthermore, you have this verse which strickly forbids beating a slave:
"When a man strikes the eye of his slave, male or female, and destroys it, he shall let the slave go free because of his eye. If he knocks out the tooth of his slave, male or female, he shall let the slave go free because of his tooth."
-Exodus 21:26-27
You have to look at these verses in their culture context, not ours. They didn't have jail cells back then to punish a master. Your status in life had everything to do with which family you were born into so being a slave was certainly a lot better than starving to death in a desert.
You get second place.
The verse clearly states that unless he dies, the master does not get punished, because the slave is property. To construe the eye and tooth verse as forbidding a master from beating the slave is ridiculous. It only gives the slave the two exemptions for freedom.
Complete nonsense. You are ignoring the slave ownership of non Jews. They are clearly property you can beat.
20 “Anyone who beats their male or female slave with a rod must be punished if the slave dies as a direct result, 21 but they are not to be punished if the slave recovers after a day or two, since the slave is their property
This is clearly sanctioning slavery.
Leviticus 25:44-46New International Version (NIV)
44 “‘Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves. 45 You may also buy some of the temporary residents living among you and members of their clans born in your country, and they will become your property. 46 You can bequeath them to your children as inherited property and can make them slaves for life, but you must not rule over your fellow Israelites ruthlessly.
You're being dishonest.
The OT (after Gen. 12) is about the descendants of Abraham, Issac, and Jacob. It is not referring to anyone outside of that group. These are Jewish laws.
I am not being dishonest. The Lord is spelling out for the Jews the rules for the slavery that was already in existence.
It is not saying slavery is good or bad - but if you have them, then these are the rules.
As far as the NT goes - if your culture allows slavery, you don't treat them harshly and you operate according to the rules set forth.
The Bible is neutral with regards to slavery. If you have a problem with that - I don't blame you. But it is what it is.
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Originally Posted by maat55
I'm amazed that Christians are so brainwashed that they cannot see the obvious intent of the bible. It is nothing more than Jewish elders justifying their absurdities and power using a false god.
We do see the Bible's intent, which is why we defend it. It is not about Jewish elders, that's for sure.
um, to religious people? lol, ok, love to hear a report, if you are led.
More or less. It's a group facilitated by an Episcopal priest (it's a course for non-clergy designed by the Episcopal seminary). Most of the participants are her parishioners. I am not, but I do attend a different Episcopal church. It's a mixed bunch. A lesbian female raised Wiccan who sought out Christianity a couple of years ago. An angry bipolar/recovering alcoholic raised Catholic. A young kid raised atheist, embraced the Greek pantheon as a teenager and now in the Episcopal church. A Jewish woman married to a Haitian Catholic woman who attends both temple and church with her wife and their daughter. A woman raised Catholic in India who brings the Hindu influences on Christianity to the discussion. A few cradle Episcopalians. Good conversations.
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