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Old 03-10-2018, 03:10 PM
 
Location: Southern Oregon
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I don’t want to make false accusations... but you reject the Bible and rely on your own understanding who God is? And the the Spirit tells you everything you needed to know about Himself?
Then don't say flatly that we reject the Bible when what we do is reject the idea of depending on the Bible as the AUTHORITY for a relationship with God and man. There is much in the Bible that is well stated and which IS confirmed by that Spirit Jesus promise AS out authority. There is also a lot, particularly in the Old Testament that contradicts that Spirit. At the moment, Finn is busily avoiding commenting on the requirement that some offenders be stoned to death.
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Old 03-10-2018, 03:47 PM
 
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It is God inspired regardless of your feelings. You post about the Holy Spirit speaking to you but ignore Him as He speaks thru His Word. Isn’t it blasphemous to reject the Word, the Holy Spirit?
The Bible is NOT the Holy Spirit. The "mind of Christ" IS and His descriptions of the Holy Spirit of agape (Who IS God) control what is and what is not from God or Jesus. You test nothing against the Spirit as described and demonstrated by Jesus and take the easy path of accepting everything no matter how evil or contradictory it is. That does not bode well for your soul, IMO.
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Old 03-10-2018, 04:22 PM
 
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The Bible is NOT the Holy Spirit. The "mind of Christ" IS and His descriptions of the Holy Spirit of agape (Who IS God) control what is and what is not from God or Jesus. You test nothing against the Spirit as described and demonstrated by Jesus and take the easy path of accepting everything no matter how evil or contradictory it is. That does not bode well for your soul, IMO.
The Scriptures are the inspired Word of the Lord. It tells us about the Lord, who He is, and His attributes. It also describes who we are. The Old Testament explains what happen when sin entered the world and the separation between man and God. It also tells us that the Lord will fix it. The New Testament shows us how He did it

This is what the Bible is defined simplistically. We do not worship it or pray to it. It is a gift, a guide, a tool the Lord has given us. It deserves respect and not to be treated as a lie.
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Old 03-10-2018, 04:56 PM
 
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The Bible is NOT the Holy Spirit. The "mind of Christ" IS and His descriptions of the Holy Spirit of agape (Who IS God) control what is and what is not from God or Jesus. You test nothing against the Spirit as described and demonstrated by Jesus and take the easy path of accepting everything no matter how evil or contradictory it is. That does not bode well for your soul, IMO.
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The Scriptures are the inspired Word of the Lord. It tells us about the Lord, who He is, and His attributes. It also describes who we are. The Old Testament explains what happen when sin entered the world and the separation between man and God. It also tells us that the Lord will fix it. The New Testament shows us how He did it
The Scriptures do tell us ABOUT Jesus who IS the Living Word of God but they are NOT the Word of God.
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This is what the Bible is defined simplistically. We do not worship it or pray to it. It is a gift, a guide, a tool the Lord has given us. It deserves respect and not to be treated as a lie.
When you accept everything in it without testing the Spirit of what is in it you are accepting lies as truth. You MUST test the Spirit to make sure it is compatible and consistent with the Holy Spirit of God as described and demonstrated unambiguously by Jesus at the expense of His body and life. Beware.
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Old 03-10-2018, 05:45 PM
 
Location: Free State of Texas
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The Scriptures are the inspired Word of the Lord. It tells us about the Lord, who He is, and His attributes. It also describes who we are. The Old Testament explains what happen when sin entered the world and the separation between man and God. It also tells us that the Lord will fix it. The New Testament shows us how He did it

This is what the Bible is defined simplistically. We do not worship it or pray to it. It is a gift, a guide, a tool the Lord has given us. It deserves respect and not to be treated as a lie.
Mystic cuts Jesus off MID SENTENCE in John 3:16. According to him, Jesus did NOT say the latter part of that verse.
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Old 03-10-2018, 05:47 PM
 
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The Scriptures do tell us ABOUT Jesus who IS the Living Word of God but they are NOT the Word of God. When you accept everything in it without testing the Spirit of what is in it you are accepting lies as truth. You MUST test the Spirit to make sure it is compatible and consistent with the Holy Spirit of God as described and demonstrated unambiguously by Jesus at the expense of His body and life. Beware.
We get it. You only believe in parts of the Bible that you like. Other parts you treat as trash.

All of Scripture is God inspired. Even the parts that exposes your sin.
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Old 03-10-2018, 06:17 PM
 
Location: Arizona
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We get it. You only believe in parts of the Bible that you like.
Wake up, and smell the coffee!

A profound gap separates our intellect and abilities from the animal kingdom.
To enter heaven is to become more human than you ever thought possible.
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Old 03-10-2018, 06:30 PM
 
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To sum up:

Group A believes that the all of Scripture is inspired by The Holy Spirit and is the final authority on all matters on which it speaks.

Group B believes in part of the Scripture leaning heavily on the New Testament especially when referencing Jesus’ life and His teachings. They feel that the Holy Spirit reveals knowledge to them and some of it contradicts the Bible.

Agree?
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Old 03-10-2018, 07:24 PM
 
Location: New Zealand
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Mystic cuts Jesus off MID SENTENCE in John 3:16. According to him, Jesus did NOT say the latter part of that verse.
It’s all about the context.... Jesus came to the Jewish “world” telling them of the destruction that was coming to them and if they do not believe in him they would perish in the judgement and that the kingdom would be taken from them and given to others......... that happened in 70AD

The prophecy for the churches is in Revelation and what has happened and will happen to the church, judgement is coming to the people of God who are living in a grace period no longer under the law of Moses but under the law of Christ, not subject to the letter but subject to the spirit. The bible is written to Gods people but we find that the scribes alter things along the way

Eg, Jeremiah 8:8 How do ye say, We are wise, and the law of the LORD is with us? Lo, certainly in vain made he it; the pen of the scribes is in vain.

Jer 7:4 Trust ye not in lying words, saying, The temple of the LORD, The temple of the LORD, The temple of the LORD, are these.
Jer 7:5 For if ye throughly amend your ways and your doings; if ye throughly execute judgment between a man and his neighbour;
Jer 7:6 If ye oppress not the stranger, the fatherless, and the widow, and shed not innocent blood in this place, neither walk after other gods to your hurt:
Jer 7:7 Then will I cause you to dwell in this place, in the land that I gave to your fathers, for ever and ever.
Jer 7:8 Behold, ye trust in lying words, that cannot profit.

Jer 7:20 Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, mine anger and my fury shall be poured out upon this place, upon man, and upon beast, and upon the trees of the field, and upon the fruit of the ground; and it shall burn, and shall not be quenched.
Jer 7:21 Thus saith the LORD of hosts, the God of Israel; Put your burnt offerings unto your sacrifices, and eat flesh.

Jer 7:22 For I spake not unto your fathers, nor commanded them in the day that I brought them out of the land of Egypt, concerning burnt offerings or sacrifices:
Jer 7:23 But this thing commanded I them, saying, Obey my voice, and I will be your God, and ye shall be my people: and walk ye in all the ways that I have commanded you, that it may be well unto you.
Jer 7:24 But they hearkened not, nor inclined their ear, but walked in the counsels and in the imagination of their evil heart, and went backward, and not forward.

It seems to me that not all that is written in the scriptures are from God because he says that through his prophets.
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Old 03-10-2018, 07:37 PM
 
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The Scriptures are the inspired Word of the Lord. It tells us about the Lord, who He is, and His attributes. It also describes who we are. The Old Testament explains what happen when sin entered the world and the separation between man and God. It also tells us that the Lord will fix it. The New Testament shows us how He did it

This is what the Bible is defined simplistically. We do not worship it or pray to it. It is a gift, a guide, a tool the Lord has given us. It deserves respect and not to be treated as a lie.
Correct for if it wasn't, there would be no basis for the idea anyone has God's spirit ir that Jesus means anything. Picking and choosing shows one of two spirits the Bible did speak of as impacting people, Ego/lack of humility and Satan's.
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