Lord Jesus, are there few that be saved? (lordship, doom, Gospel)

Originally Posted by pneuma

lmao

Rose quoted this scripture

Jesus Christ is the saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.

You added to that scripture through faith....

I asked you to provide in the context and syntax where it says this.

You go outside the context, pull scripture out of context and insert it where it has no place in being.oops

I did not add anything but what the context of all of Paul's and John's letters allow and require - FAITH. You are still having trouble aren't you? And it is ironic that you accuse me of this when it is you who say things that no scripture says anywhere.

Originally Posted by pneuma

I was speaking about Gods plan in gen.1:27-28 and you know it or should have because that was what you were responding to.

If you think that Gen.1:26-27 is future you are worse than I thought at exegesis. That already happened prior to Gen.5 Nowhere in Genesis one is there anything about God's plan to do so in the future. You are all over the place fumbling around in the dark.

Originally Posted by pneuma

Yet you agreed God will finish what he started so are you now retracting that statement?

You already tried this stupid line of reasoning and I already destroyed it. Go refresh your memory.

You say you understand the difference between reconciliation and saved, yet when the scriptures speak of Jesus as being the saviour of all men you say you agree with that then proceed to say the reconciliation is the same as Jesus saving all men.

Try again, go and read my posts on the matter and stop recasting what I say to make yourself look better. The details are there if you will only look.

I am starting to doubt you can even read Greek, you are having such a hard time with English

Yeah, ok that was IRONIC.

Originally Posted by Rose2Luv

"For God has locked up all in the prison of unbelief, that upon all alike He may have mercy."

What don't you understand about the highlighted part in which I asked you and you ignored.

I know how much you despise equations, but to repeat>>>>>>>>>>>

"For as in Adam all die, so in Christ shall all be made alive."

Yep, and I explained this verse IN DETAIL and you had nothing but assertions and re-quotes like now. All i Adam will die and all in Christ will be made alive - it does not say all are going to be in Christ. Only those that ARE IN CHRIST will be resurrected to life.

[pcamps]

Who DID (HELLO!!!!, IT'S ALREADY HAPPENED) rescue us out of the authority of the darkness, and did translate us into the reign of the Son of His love .


He in whom we have salvation and the forgiveness of sins

Fundamentalists making it about heaven and hell have left out what the Good News is. It was never about where we are going, it as always been about where God is>>>>>>present in the here and now, through the knowledge of knowing God is not holding our sins against us (even towards those that do not believe) we not only have peace with God but experience God right here in the here and now by the awareness of Jesus Christ in us(the veiled God is revealed by the knowledge of the forgiveness of sins). Fundamentalists scoff and hate such a thought, because it totally undermines what their faith is in.

The new you "in Christ" is just waiting for you to take residence. The place that Jesus Christ went to the Father to prepare for you.

[Jerwade]

Originally Posted by Jerwade

He intends to save ALL PEOPLE bringing them to the full knowledge of the truth in due time.
But it looks like only a few in this life will come to understand and comprehend his intention.

Originally Posted by Mike555

No, He does not intend to save all people. And the contrast between those who are resurrected to eternal life and those who are resurrected to disgrace and everlasting contempt and judgment makes that clear. The two groups are mutually exclusive and are not interchangeable. Those who are resurrected to eternal life will always have eternal life while those who are resurrected to disgrace, everlasting contempt, and judgment will always remain in that status. (Daniel 12:2; John 5:28-29)

Originally Posted by Jerwade

Nowhere does is say that human life is eternal, neither does it say anything about anyone being eternally damned.

Originally Posted by Mike555

God the Father sent Jesus into the world to die for the sins of the world (unlimited atonement) thus making salvation possible for everyone. The gift of salvation is offered to all. But that doesn't automatically save anyone. A person has to respond to the gospel by placing his faith in Christ Jesus in order to saved. A person can refuse to come to Jesus for salvation and remain under eternal condemnation. That person will not be saved. God does not intend to save anyone against their will. While God desires that all men be saved, that simply is not going to happen and the Bible quite clearly makes a distinction between those who will be resurrected to eternal life and those who will be resurrected to eternal punishment.

Originally Posted by Mike555

Paul was not a universalist as can be seen from his statement in 2 Thessalonians 1:6.

2 Thessalonians 1:6 For after all it is only just for God to repay with affliction those who afflict you, 7] and to give relief to you who are afflicted and to us as well when the Lord Jesus will be revealed from heaven with His mighty angels in flaming fire, 8] dealing out retribution to those who do not know God and to those who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus. 9] These will pay the penalty of eternal destruction, away from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of His power,

Many, including the theologian Albert Barnes (1778-1870) understand that Philippians 2:10-11 is not teaching universalism. Even God's defeated enemies will be forced to acknowledge that Jesus is Lord. They will then be cast into the lake of fire.

And things under the earth - Beings under the earth. The whole universe shall confess that he is Lord. This embraces, doubtless, those who have departed from this life, and perhaps includes also fallen angels. The meaning is, that riley shall all acknowledge him as universal Lord; all how to his sovereign will; all be subject to his control; all recognize him as divine. The fallen and the lost will do this; for they will be constrained to yield an unwilling homage to him by submitting to the sentence from his lips that shall consign them to woe; and thus the whole universe shall acknowledge the exalted dignity of the Son of God. But this does not mean that they will all be saved, for the guilty and the lost may be compelled to acknowledge his power, and submit to his decree as the sovereign of the universe. There is the free and cheerful homage of the heart which they who worship him in heaven will render; and there is the constrained homage which they must yield who are compelled to acknowledge his authority.

Philippians 2 Barnes' Notes

Originally Posted by Mike555

As shown, Paul's statement in 2 Thessalonians 1:6-9 shows that everyone is not going to be saved (delivered).

So, he will force them to believe in him and then, they will be eternally damned for not believing in him?
And you do not see a problem with your thought process or the absurdity of what you call the Gospel?

[pcamps]

Originally Posted by Jerwade

So, he will force them to believe in him and then, they will be eternally damned for not believing in him?
And you do not see a problem with your thought process or the absurdity of what you call the Gospel?

Originally Posted by Rose2Luv

My brother, these clowns make it hard to believe in the restitution of "some" things. Where are you studying math?>>>>> "All+all=some" Rose is going back to bed!

Liars will continue to lie!

No one said 'all' means 'some'. You can't but help distort what we have clearly explained to you guys numerous times.

What we said is that all can mean types/kinds or all individual things or people - depending on the context - you know that thing you guys ignore.

Christ offering salvation for the world or all can refer to all kinds/types of people.

Christ dying for all can mean everyone not just Jews, not just men, not just masters, not just those under the law, etc. It it for Romans, Samaritans, the other sheep, etc.

As such ALL still means ALL. You guys are so dumb you can't understand this simple fact that is taught in the NT.

Originally Posted by pcamps

Nothing nullifies what God has done. Why ? Because God is faithful to his own word which is his will. Death and Life are in the power of the spoken word. For God's word to fail, God must have spoken death.

I'll say it again with an addition:

What then? If some did not believe, does their unbelief nullify the faithfulness of God? Absolutely not! Let God be proven true, and every human being shown up as a liar,...

Does not say anything about saving all men. You should read Romans particularly Chapter 3. People's unbelief does NOT nullify God's faithfulness in Christ's work on the cross. Complete opposite of what you said! You think if everyone does not believe then God does fail.

Just as you don't nullify the Law because of the requirement of faith you do not nullify the cross because of unbelief. Get that deep into you head. God's work on the cross is effectual through faith - as such his faithfulness is not nullified by some unbelief nor has it failed as you keep stupidly repeating.

[Jerwade]

Originally Posted by Shiloh1

Nope:

What then? If some did not believe, does their unbelief nullify the faithfulness of God? Absolutely not! Let God be proven true, and every human being shown up as a liar,...

Does not say anything about saving all men. You should read Romans particularly Chapter 3. People's unbelief does NOT nullify God's faithfulness in Christ's work on the cross. Complete opposite of what you said! You think if everyone does not believe then God does fail.

Originally Posted by Jerwade

In this situation, just because Israel failed does not mean that God is unfaithful for ALL of Israel WILL BE SAVED. And it is no different with the rest of humanity because of the FAITHFULNESS OF CHRIST JESUS.

It is not Pneuma who lacks the power of the mind to think, understand and form judgments by the process of logic and reasoning.

Originally Posted by Shiloh1

Read the context - that is in the future. What of those in Israel at the PRESENT moment Paul wrote that? The majority DID NOT BELIEVE. And I already went over the future aspect of ALL ISRAEL being saved. Both you and pneuma don't understand context.

I must have MISSED your future aspect of ALL ISRAEL BEING SAVED. But you continue to miss that ALL WILL COME to the FULL KNOWLEDGE of the TRUTH in due time. Which you might say is in the FUTURE, as no one is SAVED in this present life that we live.