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The whole of scripture clearly teaches us that there is everlasting punishment (Matthew 25:46), where there is "wailing and gnashing of teeth" (Matthew 13:41-42, Matthew 13:39-50).
still maintaining aionios is eternal when you have been shown via scripture that it has a beginning is not very bright of you. You are maintaining your doctrine over what the scriptures actually show.
I had hoped this was not true of Charlie, but I fear you are correct, Jer.
LOL, how many times down through the centuries have those who walk the narrow path with the Lord Jesus heard this?
If one walks that walk, they will be pointed out and noticed, they will suffer for their faith. There is no way around it. Although I don't see it as persecution by any means, it will always bring slander and ridicule as clearly seen from others on this forum.
And yet for it all, the Lord has a shield around those that are His, He keeps them in every way.
NO it is a AKATALUTOS/ENDLESS LIFE, a life that spans EVERY olam/aionios age-lasting life. Just as Gods life is FROM olam/aionios TO olam/aionios so to is ours in Christ.
I challenge anyone from the UR to produce any scripture that presents Hell as a place of purifying.
Why would our loving Almighty Father God lose ANY of His children if He could prevent it, Charlie? We all really do NOT "know what we do" and are in that way sort of like Jesus' torturers and murderers who were forgiven. Why wouldn't God directly let us experience whatever we may have inflicted on others (willfully or unknowingly) to let us reap what we have sowed?
Why wouldn't that be sufficient to alter our state of mind and refine out the selfishness and dross wickedness from it???? Haven't you ever experienced utter remorse for having done something you should not have to someone you truly care about but cannot repair the damage it caused? Would you consider that the same as "weeping and gnashing of teeth?"
When Jesus spoke of Gehenna every Jew in Israel knew exactly what He was speaking of. That's why He used it as an example.
I've already covered this is a previous thread, in detail.
They knew Jesus was speaking of that place just outside of Jerusalem where their fathers in the Old Testament burned their children in the fire to the gods of the pagans around them.
and you say our loving Father will do the same as the pagans god did.
burning the children was something that never entered the mind of our Father.
Why would our loving Almighty Father God lose ANY of His children if He could prevent it, Charlie? We all really do NOT "know what we do" and are in that way sort of like Jesus' torturers and murderers who were forgiven. Why wouldn't God directly let us experience whatever we may have inflicted on others (willfully or unknowingly) to let us reap what we have sowed?
Why wouldn't that be sufficient to alter our state of mind and refine out the selfishness and dross wickedness from it???? Haven't you ever experienced utter remorse for having done something you should not have to someone you truly care about but cannot repair the damage it caused? Would you consider that the same as "weeping and gnashing of teeth?"
I'm finished talking, Mystic, take the challenge or step aside!
Pneuma, you are talking to two ignorant souls who follow the ignorance of their predecessors who mixed and blended into their beliefs the false ideologies (mythologies) of hell and eternal damnation. They have not the education or ability to discern truth from fallacy. And merely go with rote learning based on repetition or memorization techniques, no real understanding.
I challenge anyone from the UR to produce any scripture that presents Hell as a place of purifying.
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why? have you not taken a enough of a beating already.
I will, Charlie, if you first explain to me, why the Lake (of fire) is a place of safety, a refuge or haven, according to the Greek. And, explain the true meaning of fire, which is not the concocted hellfire of mankind that you believe, or have been taught to believe. Seeing that you really do not have me on ignore, otherwise you would not be responding to those who have responded to me.
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