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That's not wrath. That's love. Discipline is founded in love, not wrath.
I personally do not accept the Bible fundamentalists understanding of discipline. I believe the way of Jesus Christ is a discipline and we learn it from the master of the discipline, Christ himself. The chastening is not punishment for failing in the discipline, but something that guides us back into it when we err from it. His rod and staff they comfort not punish me.
All the scars I have were just signs, not punishments, but things that caused me to evolve. I have a scar over my left rib cage, a scar over my left temple that looks like a roof, had my nose taken off and put back on, and there is a scar in my left nostril that looks like somebody had me on a chain.
My newest scar is realy something, it runs across the top of my left wrist, and to look at it is to look at a serpent's face, it is still healing after 12 stitches. My right ear is scarred and it is a comfort to me because it brings silence at night if I lay on my left side, and then there is the scar I got a couple months ago as if somebody took a knife to my left eye.
Of course, I would assure people that the left eye and the right eye hold two kingdoms on either side of the body, the left eye of spirit given to Adam, and the right eye of Eve and the serpent who whispers to her.
Then there is the fact that I am just a tad crazy.
I personally do not accept the Bible fundamentalists understanding of discipline. I believe the way of Jesus Christ is a discipline and we learn it from the master of the discipline, Christ himself. The chastening is not punishment for failing in the discipline, but something that guides us back into it when we err from it. His rod and staff they comfort not punish me.
Because that would require you actually being confronted with truth, huh? I haven't seen you willing to honestly face the truth of Scripture.
... The chastening is not punishment for failing in the discipline, but something that guides us back into it when we err from it. His rod and staff they comfort not punish me.
- kinda like digging a splinter out before it becomes a bad infection!
Love is a universal standard, BF. Open your eyes and your heart to what is all around you, in Christians and non-Christians alike.
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Originally Posted by BaptistFundie
The definition of what is loving is subjective. Some people think it's loving to dress their young son up as a drag queen and let him dance in public. I don't. Just one example of how a definition can vary.
Is this another, opinion of yours? Because your concept of love is rather shallow and ignorant.
If you reject the Bible then what is the foundation of your faith? Warm fuzzy feelings? In addition, we have the great deceiver who I believe is really working through this issue to sow division and confusion among Christians. Those who stand firmly on the Word of God will be on the side of truth.
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Originally Posted by Finn_Jarber
Yes, the deceiver loves this topic knowing people are using it as an excuse / justification to throw stones at God's people.
Then, the two of you should put down your stones ...and bake a cake.
I personally do not accept the Bible fundamentalists understanding of discipline. I believe the way of Jesus Christ is a discipline and we learn it from the master of the discipline, Christ himself. The chastening is not punishment for failing in the discipline, but something that guides us back into it when we err from it. His rod and staff they comfort not punish me.
Yes, the deceiver loves this topic knowing people are using it as an excuse / justification to throw stones at God's people.
I feel bad for my neighbors young son. The father is married to another man, and they have a boy (via surrogate mother) who they are raising as gay. Everything seemed to be going fine, until the boy pulled some kind of gay stunt with the other kids in the neighborhood, and now the other kids are not allowed to hang out with him. As a result he is alone and isolated. Likewise, a co-worker who is openly gay adopted a son who he is now raising as gay. While people were still congratulating him about the adoption he said in Facebook "all I want is for my son to find himself a good husband to marry". The kid was probably 3 yr old at the time. IMO, they are doing their kids a great disservice by such indoctrination.
I am not sure how many gays are that way due to gay parents raising them to be gays, but according to some studies the number is very high, especially among girls raised by two mothers. It would be unfair to say they chose to be gay, because it was result of indoctrination. Some others end up that way due to sexual abuse at young age.
Kids can be molded into just about anything. How long does it take for the African war-lords to turn a normal kid into a cold bloodied murder? Not long. Who knows if these kids will remain gay for the rest of their lives, but if they are indoctrinated at a young age, it will certainly become a part of their identity.
Well, sad to see you back, Finn, but here you are.
Want to provide scientific data to show gay parents intentionally raise gay children? I'd love to see it. And I'll kiss your buttocks if you find one respectable study that so states.
But how about this:
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In January, researchers from the Columbia Law School examined 76 studies published after 1985 and found that only four of them concluded that children raised by gay couples faced additional adversity as a result of having same-sex parents. To be considered, each of the studies had to meet established guidelines that accounted for credibility and relevance.
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"I found overwhelming evidence that scientists agree that there is not a negative impact to children of same-sex couples,” says Jimi Adams, a sociologist at the University of Colorado at Denver and co-author of the paper.
Hope, raised in New York City by her two dads: “I would see my friend's families and my aunts and uncles and I knew that people had something called a mother that I didn't necessarily have, but I didn't really think that I was so much in the minority. I wondered about my birth family and my birth mother in particular, but in terms of my own development, I don’t feel like I suffered because of it. I think that my parents did a fantastic job of helping to raise me to be a strong woman--
Zack, raised in upstate New York by his two moms: “Everyone in my family is adopted. I had less trouble with two moms and more issues with finding myself, you know, with race and ethnicity.”
Darnell, raised in Menlo Park, California, by his two moms and his dad: “I took for granted the fact that I was surrounded by lesbians all the time and I thought that was very normal. I have a vague memory of listening to pop music on the radio and just assuming that the person singing was probably singing to a person of the same gender. ”
Zach, raised in Iowa by his two moms: “I think the operative word in describing our family is not LGBT, it's in family. If you look at the vast majority of things that define who my moms are, or who my family is, it's really no more accurate to say that my moms are gay married, than to say they are Packers-fan married, or work-in-healthcare married. They're both really just about as accurate in describing who my moms are
McKenna, raised in Spring Lake, Michigan by her two moms: “People would always ask me, 'What are they like? What is it like?' and I'm like, they're just people. They don't have telling claws or rainbows and flannel hanging up in our house, we don't have a U-haul in the back. We're very boring in some ways.”
The evidence finding no effect of parental sexual orientation on children’s outcomes is so conclusive that more than a decade ago, the American Psychological Association put forth a public policy statement “that the adjustment, development, and psychological well-being of children is unrelated to parental sexual orientation... children of lesbian and gay parents are as likely as those of heterosexual parents to flourish.” The APA further resolved that it “opposes any discrimination based on sexual orientation in matters of adoption, child custody and visitation, foster care, and reproductive health services.” Similar position statements have been articulated by other major professional organizations including the American Medical Association, American Bar Association, American Academy of Pediatrics, and Child Welfare League of America.
Research has shown that in contrast to common beliefs, children of lesbian, gay, or transgender parents: Are not more likely to be gay than children with heterosexual parents
Are not more likely to be sexually abused
Do not show differences in whether they think of themselves as male or female (gender identity)
Do not show differences in their male and female behaviors (gender role behavior)
But once again, here is an attack on "parenting skills" because you can't justify your "christian" view of homosexuality without appearing as a homophobe.
Yet you dodged and stayed away from my assertion complete with links that show the worst social outcomes in the nation center in the Bible Belt where your homophobe religion flourishes most.
Poor education
Poor healthcare
Increased AIDS rates (despite on average having fewer gays)
Higher divorce rates
Higher teen pregnancy
and higher porn addiction among the most religious
No one with a nickel's worth of sense wants to get involved in your ugly religion that winds up slamming society again and again. But when it comes to sense, you're a nickel short anyway.
"All truth passes through three stages: First it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident." You are in the violently opposed stage.
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The definition of what is loving is subjective. Some people think it's loving to dress their young son up as a drag queen and let him dance in public. I don't. Just one example of how a definition can vary.
And some people think they should put their son in front of a church to sing "Ain't gonna be no homos in heaven," to cheering church members like you.
I was reflecting on the same thing, when BaptistFundie's prejudices came to the surface.
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- kinda like digging a splinter out before it becomes a bad infection!