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I can agree that Baptism is done in Spirit but not as man thinks.
Jesus said to teach them to carry out everything He commanded. That is the Baptism in Spirit.
“The words I spoke to you are spirit and life.”
Paul has lead many astray. I don’t.
How has Paul lead many astray?
1 Cor. 14:37-38 shows us that whatever the apostle Paul wrote was the Lord's command, he was guided in all truth by the Holy Spirit, you and I are not guided in all truth by the Holy Spirit like the apostles. We rely on Paul's and the other inspired writers to reveal what the Holy Spirit had revealed to them for us.
Christ commanded men to go do the baptizing, we have the explicit commands and the examples. God uses the agency of men to do the preaching and the agency of water to cleanse, remember how God cleansed the world of sin with water (Noah's flood) and Moses led the Hebrews through the red sea for the Egyptian army to follow in order to be destroyed BY WATER, He uses the agency of water to wash away sins just like in Acts 22:16 when Ananias commanded Paul to wash away his sin by being baptized just like Ethiopian eunuch in chapter 8. Water is symbolic, we all know that, God could have chosen something else as the agency but He didnt. We have no choice but to submit to whatever God demands. When you have the direct command along with clear examples, you should not question it. To say its unnecessary is to imply Christ is a liar
It's the circumcision of the heart, "the circumcision made without hands" the circumcision of Christ.
It is a picture of the crucifixion of the flesh, in the spirit.
It's what happens the moment you are saved, you are crucified with Him, buried, and risen to a newness of life, the new birth.
It's being spiritually baptized into Christ.
Water baptism is the visible symbol of this spiritual salvation that took place in the heart.
You are so close to the truth, Charlie, it saddens me that you seem unable to grasp it because of the false teachings you accept from the Bible. You MUST use Jesus and His "mind of Christ" to test the spirit of whatever is claimed in the Bible so you will not accept what has been falsely inserted over the years by men who did not even know Jesus.
You are so close to the truth, Charlie, it saddens me that you seem unable to grasp it because of the false teachings you accept from the Bible. You MUST use Jesus and His "mind of Christ" to test the spirit of whatever is claimed in the Bible so you will not accept what has been falsely inserted over the years by men who did not even know Jesus.
But they did know Jesus! They knew as well as you and I that the Messiah from God was coming. They knew He would come in the flesh and be a prophet as was Moses, but He would be greater than Moses. They didn't know His name as we do.
Jesus told us that Abraham rejoiced to see His day and was glad in it. Abraham was made to understand that the Messiah would come through his lineage and redeem man.
Moses understood justification by faith and wrote "Abraham believed God and it was accounted unto him for righteousness. Moses knew the Messiah was coming and that faith in Him was his salvation. Moses knew the animal sacrifices represented the coming Messiah. The animal sacrifice that represents Christ goes back to Cain and Abel.
They knew so much more than you think they knew. Of course we know more than they did, but the same thing that saved them, saves us. We just have more details than them.
Of course if you combine Acts 2:39, which speaks of a conditional promise given to "as many as the Lord our God shall call" with Romans 8:30, which tells us that He only justifies those whom He has called,
You will see that the condition for being justified is the condition of the promise that is given in Acts 2:38-39.
Mat 7:13, Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
Mat 7:14, Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.
You are so close to the truth, Charlie, it saddens me that you seem unable to grasp it because of the false teachings you accept from the Bible. You MUST use Jesus and His "mind of Christ" to test the spirit of whatever is claimed in the Bible so you will not accept what has been falsely inserted over the years by men who did not even know Jesus.
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But they did know Jesus! They knew as well as you and I that the Messiah from God was coming. They knew He would come in the flesh and be a prophet as was Moses, but He would be greater than Moses. They didn't know His name as we do.
Jesus told us that Abraham rejoiced to see His day and was glad in it. Abraham was made to understand that the Messiah would come through his lineage and redeem man.
Moses understood justification by faith and wrote "Abraham believed God and it was accounted unto him for righteousness. Moses knew the Messiah was coming and that faith in Him was his salvation. Moses knew the animal sacrifices represented the coming Messiah. The animal sacrifice that represents Christ goes back to Cain and Abel.
They IGNORANTLY believed that animal sacrifices were needed and desired by God. That is why Jesus had to tell them that God NEVER wanted sacrifices. He wanted mercy and compassion among His children. Why do you retain our ancestors' primitive ignorance and barbaric beliefs about God. You cannot know more than they did if you accept their ignorant beliefs.
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They knew so much more than you think they knew. Of course we know more than they did, but the same thing that saved them, saves us. We just have more details than them.
OF course, the same thing that saved them is what saved us because they had nothing to do with their salvation and neither do we!!! What Jesus accomplished is what saved us, nothing we did, or chose, or did not choose or did not do.
They IGNORANTLY believed that animal sacrifices were needed and desired by God. That is why Jesus had to tell them that God NEVER wanted sacrifices. He wanted mercy and compassion among His children. Why do you retain our ancestors' primitive ignorance and barbaric beliefs about God. You cannot know more than they did if you accept their ignorant beliefs.
OF course, the same thing that saved them is what saved us because they had nothing to do with their salvation and neither do we!!! What Jesus accomplished is what saved us, nothing we did, or chose, or did not choose or did not do.
Once in a while you get something right, Mystic, that's what gives me hope for you!
Through the generations Israel lost sight of the meaning of the Sacrificial System in the Law of Moses.
By the time Christ came they had totally distorted it. Jesus had to show them that God didn't desire animal sacrifices, but that it was the only way of salvation for them through Christ, until Christ came and officially became the ultimate sacrifice that takes away the sin of man.
In their mind they needed no Redeemer for sin, they were the chosen of God in captivity and wanted a Warrior Messiah to set them free, but not from their sins, they had none!
Israel, at this time, could no longer link the Sacrificial System with the Messiah.
It's the circumcision of the heart, "the circumcision made without hands" the circumcision of Christ.
It is a picture of the crucifixion of the flesh, in the spirit.
It's what happens the moment you are saved, you are crucified with Him, buried, and risen to a newness of life, the new birth.
It's being spiritually baptized into Christ.
Water baptism is the visible symbol of this spiritual salvation that took place in the heart.
Circumcision is removal of the flesh.
Baptism is immersion into Christ.
Two different things.
Water baptism is not a symbol of anything regarding Christianity. It was a ministry of repentance for the Jews, and used to identify Christ as the Messiah.
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