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Pro 23:31, Look not thou upon the wine when it is red, when it giveth his colour in the cup, when it moveth itself aright.
Because there is a deceptive quallity to alcohol, according to Proverbs 20:1.
Mishlei - Proverbs - Chapter 23
31 Do not look at wine when it is red; when he puts his eye on the cup, it goes smoothly.
Rashi:
Do not look at wine when it is red: Do not put your eye on it.
when he puts his eye on the cup, it goes smoothly: Whoever is habitually drunk-all transgressions appear to him to be straight; all ways appear straight.
on the cup: Heb. בכוס. The masoretic text reads: בכיס, on the pocket; i.e., the drinker puts his eye on the cup, and the storekeeper puts his eye on this one’s pocket.
"Wine is a mocker, strong drink is raging: and whosoever is deceived thereby is not wise."
There is no one glass, it becomes two then three. Do not be deceived, leave it alone!
Those who say, I only have a glass a day, yeah, right!
Actually, yes. Many people have a single glass of wine with dinner. Many others enjoy a single drink when they relax after work. I belong to two different groups related to beer. Nobody in either group is drinking to become intoxicated. They are drinking something they enjoy. Responsibly.
Drinking excessively is an entirely different conversation.
Actually, yes. Many people have a single glass of wine with dinner. Many others enjoy a single drink when they relax after work. I belong to two different groups related to beer. Nobody in either group is drinking to become intoxicated. They are drinking something they enjoy. Responsibly.
Drinking excessively is an entirely different conversation.
Everyone who consumes alcohol will over consume from time to time.
That is the mock of wine and the rage of strong drink, it changes you.
It is a deceiver, you will do things you normally will not do, and not good things.
In those days there wasn't a way to keep grape juice from fermenting (that we know of) and so if you wanted grape juice you had to drink it right after you harvested it.
In 1869 Welch's grape juice came out as they were able to pasteurize the grape juice to keep it from fermenting.
Ancients had multiple ways of keeping unfermented wine for years, thats what makes you think different, you do not have any knowledge of history.
You have things separated into neat little compartments in your mind so you have difficulty seeing the more general principles involved. Paul made the actual reference to what was "unclean," but the same principle holds. James does not contradict that principle, Charlie. If you think something is a sin (i.e., know what is not good by knowing what IS good), then to you it is a sin to choose the "not good."
I gotta give it you MysticPhD, you have so much more patience than I do. Almost like a debate between some college professor and some smart aleck kid who thinks he knows everything. I was going to suggest to you to start using sock puppets as a teaching aid but in this case, it's more of a problem with the heart than the head.
Was the Greek word employed gleukos or oinos?...Gleukos mean the unfermented juice of the grape while oinos means the fermented variety...See what the Greek word employed in John 2:1-10 was and you find out what type of wine Jesus had made...
Wine was always an ambiguous word. Many words possess ambiguity, so don't rely only on one things, look at historical evidence on wine making before drawing a conclusion.
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