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Old 07-09-2021, 12:30 PM
 
Location: West Virginia
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The born again Christian must make a decision about alcohol. The scripture is not clear if Jesus drank alcohol or not, but we can look to Noah and see it's not wise.

The first thing he did after the flood was to grow a vineyard and make wine from it, then got drunk. We can read and see the result of this and see it wasn't fun for Noah.

This is the man God found worthy to live by his faith when all others besides his family were destroyed. We can all make the same mistake and I say give sin no chance in this life!

No one is going to hell for drinking a glass of wine from time to time, or a beer, or a shot of whisky. But being a Christian and following Christ, is that a good testimony to a new convert who has much to learn yet? That is what the scripture calls a stumbling block set before your brother.

Paul said there are many things at his liberty but some he denies to keep from being that stumbling block. We've got to think of what we are doing! We have to take responsibility for our actions.

The choice I have made does not mean I'm right and you are wrong! But my choice eliminates the possibility of being a stumbling block before others and the sin I may commit when I over indulge.
Ole Noah was a patient man. Since all the grape vines were killed in the flood, he would have to start from scratch. With seeds. It would take a few years before he could get any grapes. At the end of the growing season, he could start some wine, but it would be a few months before it would be ready to drink.

Yep! Years of waiting for the first thing he did after the flood.
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Old 07-09-2021, 12:43 PM
 
Location: Arizona
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Ole Noah was a patient man. Since all the grape vines were killed in the flood, he would have to start from scratch. With seeds. It would take a few years before he could get any grapes. At the end of the growing season, he could start some wine, but it would be a few months before it would be ready to drink.

Yep! Years of waiting for the first thing he did after the flood.
Patience is a virtue and companion to wisdom.
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Old 07-09-2021, 12:49 PM
 
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Ole Noah was a patient man. Since all the grape vines were killed in the flood, he would have to start from scratch. With seeds. It would take a few years before he could get any grapes. At the end of the growing season, he could start some wine, but it would be a few months before it would be ready to drink.

Yep! Years of waiting for the first thing he did after the flood.
Actually the very first thing he did was build an alter and sacrificed to God. The next account of Noah was becoming a husbandman. Of course this took time, but if you read the account in scripture it was the first things he did in relation to what is first written of him in scripture.
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Old 07-09-2021, 12:50 PM
 
Location: Middle America
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I enjoyed a communion service one time in a Lutheran church. They didn't mess around with fruit punch. They served the real thing - yessiree, real wine - with real bread. And no one fussed or grumbled about it. It really did take on a sense of "communion" in the same spirit as with the Last Supper. It was respectful and reverent.

Many will never experience that, but I'm thankful I did. Not a huge event by any means, but I'm still richer for it. Sometimes little events count more than what we would consider larger matters.

P.S. If some noisy soapbox child showed up at that church screaming about drinking alcohol, they would have gracefully carted the person off the property.

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Old 07-09-2021, 05:44 PM
 
Location: Texas
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I think too many try to wrack their minds to dive into a Conspiracy of sorts was it fermented wine or also a unfermented process that preserved Grape Juice.

Seems to me that the alcohol was a necessary aspect to even aid with bacteria in drinking water. I always just felt the reasonable simple explanation was that they used a WATERED Down Alcohol Wine for a Table wine. Aiding in keeping the water less likely to have parasites intact after some alcohol.

Seems more is written in how the ancient Greeks and Romans diluted wine for drinking.

Alcohol does have a strong anti-bacterial effect,and adding water to wine was a way to create more drink as there was very little clean drinking water. Microbes in water if a issue.... might have enough alcohol from adding wine to keep that in check?

Seems for the Romans and Greeks everyone, including young children, drank wine all the time from the beginning of the day until night, dilution was important in order to prevent the people from getting to drunk by the end of the day. In effect, the reliance on wine for hydration meant dilution could kill two birds with one stone.

Perhaps this is not correct of the Greeks and Romans or the land of Palestine at the time even Romans occupied it?

http://eciconference.com/resources/2...xperiment1.pdf
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