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For heaven's sake. I am asking a technical question as it applies to the world of mankind, and I get replies that reference Abraham or David. HOW was the WHOLE WORLD OF MANKIND BEFORE the first century, during the first century, or anytime thereafter among people who know or understand nothing about the role of Jesus, supposed to be saved after what happened with Adam and Eve without the sacrifice and salvation provided at the crucifixion that happened only in the first century??
And how does a good moral person with no connection to Jesus get a worse ultimate fate than a wicked person who may have been saved once in his early life??
I ask these questions and all I get are scriptural allusions and inferences without any official doctrinal explanation, with mention of David and Abraham. Can people please relate to what I am asking?
For heaven's sake. I am asking a technical question as it applies to the world of mankind, and I get replies that reference Abraham or David. HOW was the WHOLE WORLD OF MANKIND BEFORE the first century, during the first century, or anytime thereafter among people who know or understand nothing about the role of Jesus, supposed to be saved after what happened with Adam and Eve without the sacrifice and salvation provided at the crucifixion that happened only in the first century??
And how does a good moral person with no connection to Jesus get a worse ultimate fate than a wicked person who may have been saved once in his early life??
I ask these questions and all I get are scriptural allusions and inferences without any official doctrinal explanation, with mention of David and Abraham. Can people please relate to what I am asking?
They were saved by faith. It's really that simple. Trust in God -- and his promises to redeem.
But as for a "good moral person". There is no such thing. Every single one of us is a sinner, and we all deserve hell if not for God saving us.
For heaven's sake. I am asking a technical question as it applies to the world of mankind, and I get replies that reference Abraham or David. HOW was the WHOLE WORLD OF MANKIND BEFORE the first century, during the first century, or anytime thereafter among people who know or understand nothing about the role of Jesus, supposed to be saved after what happened with Adam and Eve without the sacrifice and salvation provided at the crucifixion that happened only in the first century??
And how does a good moral person with no connection to Jesus get a worse ultimate fate than a wicked person who may have been saved once in his early life??
I ask these questions and all I get are scriptural allusions and inferences without any official doctrinal explanation, with mention of David and Abraham. Can people please relate to what I am asking?
I've already given you the biblical answer to both of your questions. You won't listen. Instead you want some official church statement or creed on the matter.
For heaven's sake. I am asking a technical question as it applies to the world of mankind, and I get replies that reference Abraham or David. HOW was the WHOLE WORLD OF MANKIND BEFORE the first century, during the first century, or anytime thereafter among people who know or understand nothing about the role of Jesus, supposed to be saved after what happened with Adam and Eve without the sacrifice and salvation provided at the crucifixion that happened only in the first century??
And how does a good moral person with no connection to Jesus get a worse ultimate fate than a wicked person who may have been saved once in his early life??
I ask these questions and all I get are scriptural allusions and inferences without any official doctrinal explanation, with mention of David and Abraham. Can people please relate to what I am asking?
The one consistent feature of religious belief seems to be its resistance to any rational thought or reasoning. What you are referring to is the silly notion that you must specifically believe the "precepts and doctrines of men" ABOUT Jesus and God and that you are saved by believing He was scourged and crucified to appease God as a blood sacrifice. Of course, no one prior to the existence of Jesus could possibly know or believe any of that, but that never enters the mind of those who believe it.
We are actually saved by what Jesus accomplished and it has nothing to do with us or what we believe or do not believe. We just need to have faith in the FACT that Jesus revealed the true nature of God as the Holy Spirit of agape love and He did save ALL of us, past, present, and future, period. We demonstrate our faith in Him by emulating His agape love of God and each other every day and repenting when we fail.
That hardly explains why you would believe we deserve endless torment in an eternal Hell. For WHAT????? The fables, old wives' tales, endless genealogies, and stories in the Bible cannot account for your willingness to believe that about yourself and everyone else.
That hardly explains why you would believe we deserve endless torment in an eternal Hell. For WHAT????? The fables, old wives' tales, endless genealogies, and stories in the Bible cannot account for your willingness to believe that about yourself and everyone else.
The Bible. God has said it. We've been over this. You like the parts that talk about a loving God, but you reject those parts that talk about his wrath.
The Bible. God has said it. We've been over this. You like the parts that talk about a loving God, but you reject those parts that talk about his wrath.
It is not what I LIKE, BF. The God Jesus Christ revealed is an agape loving God, NOT a wrathful and vengeful one. Why do you profess to follow Christ and deny the very God He revealed to us????
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