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and the concept of The Trinity is independent from the concept of The Incarnation.
If you mean that as a man, Jesus took on a human nature while still having a divine nature, yes. He never ceased to be God. He's always been God. But he's also human.
Do you have an issue with truth? Or do you just not understand the doctrine? The doctrine of the Trinity is not 3 = 1.
Lmao no one has ever been able to understand the trinity as it make no sense yet i know many here believe in things that make no sense so i am not surprised to see many who hold to the trinity.
But again this thread is NOT about the trinity it is about who Jesus is or is not.
Still does not make the son the Father. They are two distinct individuals.
Two distinct individuals that are ONE as well. The Son sits at the right hand of the Father, I think they are in perfect union to the point they are also AS one individual , sharing the same thoughts, speaking the same thing at the same time if they wanted, etc.
Lmao no one has ever been able to understand the trinity as it make no sense yet i know many here believe in things that make no sense so i am not surprised to see many who hold to the trinity.
But again this thread is NOT about the trinity it is about who Jesus is or is not.
Then let's try to honestly present what the doctrine is, then.
We believe that Jesus is God, the Son. He is and always has been God. There is only one God. There are 3 persons within the Godhead, the Son being one of them, along with God the Father, and God the Holy Spirit. All 3 are completely and 100% God. None of them are less God than the others, and they are all the same God.
Jesus was "God," but He wasn't "God the Father." He was a distinct personage who shared in all His Father had, including the right to be known as "God."
The word "one" can be, and in fact is, used on a number of occasions in the Bible to denote a perfect unity, rather than to denote the lowest cardinal number.
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In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. John 1:1
The use of the word "with" (the Word was with God) clearly indicates that there was more than one personage. If God (the Father) was alone, it would have made a lot more sense to simply say, "God was alone."
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“ …Whoever has seen me has seen the Father. …” John 14:9
In other words, you'd not be able to tell them apart had they been standing side by side. When Acts relates the story of Stephen looking into Heaven and seeing God, he saw "Jesus standing on the right hand of God." He saw two personages.
Jesus was "God," but He wasn't "God the Father." He was a distinct personage who shared in all His Father had, including the right to be known as "God."
When we look at things as being separate, then the concept is difficult to explain, just look at all these threads on the trinity, etc. I've read over and over and believe this as well - we are one. This separate stuff is an illusion. Think of a fabric or blanket thrown over/upon the earth. All life is connected via fabrics (too tiny to see). We are all connected, you , me the trees and plants around us. This fabric of life is God Himself and the force He uses to keep it all together is literal love, nothing in creation is apart from it.
Two distinct individuals that are ONE as well. The Son sits at the right hand of the Father, I think they are in perfect union to the point they are also AS one individual , sharing the same thoughts, speaking the same thing at the same time if they wanted, etc.
I agree 100%!
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