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Old 10-27-2021, 03:08 PM
 
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Fair enough. I'm assuming that you've actually read it, and haven't just come to the conclusion that it's "not God-breathed because it's not the Bible." A couple of things I'm curious about... Why do you believe that everything God wants us to know is in the Bible? Where in the Bible does it say this? And why would God have communicated with only with the people in one small geographical area and left everyone else in the world in the dark for so many years? Just something to think about.
I’ll let the Holy Spirit answer your question about why I believe everything God wants me to know is found in His word.

“…His divine power has given to us all things that pertain to life and godliness…” (2 Peter 1:3)

“ 16 All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, 17that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work.” (2 Timothy 3:16-17)

As for your question about why God communicated with only certain people, you’d have to ask Him.

No I have not read the Book of Mormon, the Doctrine and Covenants or Pearl of Great Price. But perhaps you can enlighten me. Did Joseph Smith teach that God was once a man like us? Did he teach that there is more than one God? I ask because those teachings are not found in the Scriptures.
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Old 10-27-2021, 03:27 PM
 
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No I have not read the Book of Mormon, the Doctrine and Covenants or Pearl of Great Price. But perhaps you can enlighten me. Did Joseph Smith teach that God was once a man like us? Did he teach that there is more than one God? I ask because those teachings are not found in the Scriptures.
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There is already a thread on LDS church, maybe in depth conversation is best taken there
https://www.city-data.com/forum/chri...christ-17.html

(Just trying to help as I sense a derail into the pros and cons of LDS about to happen)

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Old 10-27-2021, 03:54 PM
 
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I’ll let the Holy Spirit answer your question about why I believe everything God wants me to know is found in His word.
That's fine, if that's what you're really doing. It's just that sometimes people dismiss things without really knowing anything about them, and based upon rumors they've heard and things they've read from inaccurate sources.

Also, I don't know how much you know about the development of the biblical canon over the centuries, but the books comprising the canon have changed quite significantly over time. In other words, what was considered "God-breathed" in the second century is not the same as what was considered "God-breathed" in the sixth century. Apparently, the Bible went from being "God-breathed" to "not God-breathed" and back again quite a few times. And what about about Paul's epistles? Why, for instance, was his epistle to the Laodiceans considered less authoritative than his other epistles? Or was it? Maybe it had just been lost prior to when the first canon was compiled. It's mentioned in Colossians 4:16, for instance. Obviously, it was considered authoritative at the time it was written. Paul also wrote an additional epistle to the Ephesians and another to the Corinthians. When did his "apostolic authorship" come into question? Jude, too, wrote another epistle. Why would it have be considered so unreliable as to have been intentionally omitted from the today's canon? And that's just one problem with sola scriptura.

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“…His divine power has given to us all things that pertain to life and godliness…” (2 Peter 1:3)

“ 16 All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, 17that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work.” (2 Timothy 3:16-17)
I don't see either of these passages as teaching that everything God has ever said, or done, or wants us to know is found in the Bible. If that were the case, the situation I just described in my previous paragraph would not exist.

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As for your question about why God communicated with only certain people, you’d have to ask Him.
Actually, I don't need to ask Him because I don't believe that He did. You're the one who is convinced that that's the case, and it just doesn't seem very logical to me that He would have simply ignored the millions of people outside of the Holy Land.

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No I have not read the Book of Mormon, the Doctrine and Covenants or Pearl of Great Price. But perhaps you can enlighten me. Did Joseph Smith teach that God was once a man like us? Did he teach that there is more than one God? I ask because those teachings are not found in the Scriptures.
It kind of looks like you're trying to back me up against a wall, Kate, and that's not really necessary. Joseph Smith did teach the doctrine of deification, just as the highly-regarded Anglican theologian, C.S. Lewis did not so many years ago, and as Irenaeus, Saint Clement, Saint Justin Martyr, Athanasius and Augustine did anciently.

As to their being many Gods, Joseph taught almost exactly what Paul did in 1 Corinthians 8:5-6: For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many,) But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.

I'm sorry if you have been led to believe that we worship more than one God, because that is definitely not the case.

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Old 10-27-2021, 04:02 PM
 
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There is already a thread on LDS church, maybe in depth conversation is best taken there
https://www.city-data.com/forum/chri...christ-17.html

(Just trying to help as I sense a derail into the pros and cons of LDS about to happen)
I don't think that's going to be necessary. All I've done so far is respond to the OP, and my posts responding to the OP belong in this thread as much as anybody else's. As to posts that resort to denominational bashing, I'm sure the mods will be able to deal with them and keep the thread on track.
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Old 10-27-2021, 04:05 PM
 
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There is already a thread on LDS church, maybe in depth conversation is best taken there
https://www.city-data.com/forum/chri...christ-17.html

(Just trying to help as I sense a derail into the pros and cons of LDS about to happen)
You make a good point. Thanks Meerkat. Time to get it back on track.
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Old 10-27-2021, 04:10 PM
 
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You make a good point. Thanks Meerkat. Time to get it back on track.
Who took it off track? I don't think anybody did, katie my girl.

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Old 10-27-2021, 04:22 PM
 
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I was just thinking ahead……. Just ignore me
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Old 10-27-2021, 04:25 PM
 
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I was just thinking ahead……. Just ignore me
I would never ignore you, Meerkat. You're one of my favorite people on the forum.
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Old 10-27-2021, 04:38 PM
 
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God has His children, as who ever will repent and surrender to Jesus Christ will be blessed with Christ ....... So then there are many Church governments which proclaim Jesus Christ and are obedient to the commands of Christ and are led by Jesus Christ ...... Then there are some churches which are built by the doctrines of man ..... God said there is No power of Christ for churches who don't preach the gospel and have no evidence of Holy Spirit......... So If people believe that none of the churches Know God than these people need to get save to Jesus instead of entertaining antichrist spirit of division
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Old 10-27-2021, 04:43 PM
 
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The only denominations - there are only two.

1 John 5:12 - He who has the Son has the life; he who does not have the Son of God does not have the life.
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