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Old 12-22-2022, 01:10 PM
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It's a matter of historical record. You can trace the lineage of bishops all the way back to Peter.
Jesus never said Peter would be the church founder. He said that on the revelation that Peter understood that Jesus was the Messiah, was the rock that the Church would be founded on.
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Old 12-22-2022, 05:19 PM
 
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Jesus never said Peter would be the church founder. He said that on the revelation that Peter understood that Jesus was the Messiah, was the rock that the Church would be founded on.
Yes!!! The Catholic Church deliberately misinterpreted "Petra" as the name change of Simon and perpetuated it throughout the NT writings to support their illicit claim to apostolic authority.
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Old 12-22-2022, 05:25 PM
 
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It's a matter of historical record. You can trace the lineage of bishops all the way back to Peter.
so peter started it.
peter is not jesus.

peter as first pope founded the Catholic church.
and paul started Crstianity

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Old 12-22-2022, 07:09 PM
 
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so peter started it.
peter is not jesus.

peter as first pope founded the Catholic church.
and paul started Crstianity
Catholic church was founded 200 years before Peter was ever born.
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Old 12-23-2022, 08:53 AM
 
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I don't want to speak for Mike. I'll let him respond to you. For me personally, if history has scientific evidence to support it, why not believe God's word and history? why use "or"? Problem with history is when the facts become twisted around, the evidence tampered with, and then people start making **** up.
God’s word supersedes history, church or otherwise! Which do you trust more? The word of God or the history written by fallible men?

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Old 12-23-2022, 08:53 AM
 
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The historical record was not given by inspiration of the Holy Spirit.
LOL; no, it wasn't. Neither is what you ate for breakfast this morning.

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Since faith comes by hearing the word of God, don’t you think we should trust the word of God rather than history, which was written by fallible men?
Accounts of history were written by fallible men. History itself happened.

While man's account of history may sometimes contradict Divine Revelation; history itself; i.e. the actual unfolding of events over time, cannot.

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What do you trust most, Mike? God’s word or history?
Christ is the Lord of History, so there is no dichotomy here.
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Old 12-23-2022, 08:58 AM
 
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LOL; no, it wasn't. Neither is what you ate for breakfast this morning.



Accounts of history were written by fallible men. History itself happened.

While man's account of history may sometimes contradict Divine Revelation; history itself; i.e. the actual unfolding of events, cannot.



Christ is the Lord of History, so there is no dichotomy here.
You didn’t answer my question, Mike. Which do you trust more? The word of God or history?
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Old 12-23-2022, 09:05 AM
 
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You didn’t answer my question, Mike. Which do you trust more? The word of God or history?
I'm afraid I don't know what you mean by "history".

Do you mean the events of the past as they happened; or do you mean simply man's account of the events of the past?
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Old 12-23-2022, 10:49 AM
 
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I'm afraid I don't know what you mean by "history".

Do you mean the events of the past as they happened; or do you mean simply man's account of the events of the past?
Church history.

Which do you trust more! The word of God or church history?
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Old 12-23-2022, 10:59 AM
 
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It's a matter of historical record. You can trace the lineage of bishops all the way back to Peter.
The sad thing is that they abandoned Peter's teachings and went their own way.
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