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Old 12-16-2022, 12:55 PM
 
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The word "catholic" comes from the Greek word καθολικός (katholikos), which means "universal", or "worldwide".
Correct. It is an adjective, not a label or identifier. The church is catholic or universal but some church leader, with all due respect, decided to turn it into a label and make it a denomination.
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Old 12-16-2022, 01:07 PM
 
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Correct. It is an adjective, not a label or identifier. The church is catholic or universal but some church leader, with all due respect, decided to turn it into a label and make it a denomination.
No. It only became necessary to label the True Church as "Catholic" in order to distinguish it from the false sects.
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Old 12-16-2022, 01:18 PM
 
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No. It only became necessary to label the True Church as "Catholic" in order to distinguish it from the false sects.
Then it became necessary to add "Roman" in front of "Catholic" to make sure everybody knew that the Roman version was the truest?
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Old 12-16-2022, 01:20 PM
 
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Then it became necessary to add "Roman" in front of "Catholic" to make sure everybody knew that the Roman version was the truest?
No, it's not necessary to add "Roman". It's really only Protestants who insist on doing that.

We Catholics typically only use "Roman" to distinguish the Latin Rite from any of the other 20+ rites within the Catholic Church (such as Maronite, Byzantine, Ukrainian, etc.).
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Old 12-16-2022, 02:14 PM
 
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In every verse you quoted the reference to blood or body is symbolic
If by 'symbolic' you mean a visible/physical sign of an invisible divine reality then yes I could agree with that!

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not literal.
literal: lit*er*al
adjective
1. taking words in their usual or most basic sense without metaphor or allegory.

By definition, yes, I'd have to agree with that as well,
as in the most basic earthly physical sense (definition) his verses don't make human sense,
but Jesus wasn't only human,
so in the divine sense [HIS perspective) HIS word/verses are more true than anything we can measure or perceive.
We have to accept His (divine) word on faith - not our literal perception!

If by 'symbolic' you mean to deny Jesus divinity, well, we'll just have to agree to disagree.
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Old 12-16-2022, 03:30 PM
 
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No. It only became necessary to label the True Church as "Catholic" in order to distinguish it from the false sects.
Just curious but.... are you Catholic?

There is nothing in scripture that says the Church that Jesus had built is "Catholic" and that a "Catholic" church is the "True Church".
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Old 12-16-2022, 03:52 PM
 
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Just curious but.... are you Catholic?

There is nothing in scripture that says the Church that Jesus had built is "Catholic" and that a "Catholic" church is the "True Church".
Yes I am.

I'd be willing to discuss that, but it will have to be done elsewhere as it's off topic for this thread.

Perhaps you'd like to discuss it in this one?
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Old 12-19-2022, 04:19 AM
 
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Then it became necessary to add "Roman" in front of "Catholic" to make sure everybody knew that the Roman version was the truest?
The Roman part was originally a mockery from the opponents of the Catholic Church . The church adopted it because of that .
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Old 12-22-2022, 10:58 AM
 
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It's a matter of historical record. You can trace the lineage of bishops all the way back to Peter.
The historical record was not given by inspiration of the Holy Spirit. Since faith comes by hearing the word of God, don’t you think we should trust the word of God rather than history, which was written by fallible men?

What do you trust most, Mike? God’s word or history?
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Old 12-22-2022, 11:47 AM
 
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The historical record was not given by inspiration of the Holy Spirit. Since faith comes by hearing the word of God, don’t you think we should trust the word of God rather than history, which was written by fallible men?

What do you trust most, Mike? God’s word or history?
I don't want to speak for Mike. I'll let him respond to you. For me personally, if history has scientific evidence to support it, why not believe God's word and history? why use "or"? Problem with history is when the facts become twisted around, the evidence tampered with, and then people start making **** up.
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