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Old 11-19-2021, 01:29 PM
 
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I've asked this before...but its an honest question. Why bother even giving lip service to Christianity if one rejects the Scriptures?



Straw man. What is being "rejected" is not scripture, but your way of interpreting scripture.
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Old 11-19-2021, 01:31 PM
 
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Straw man. What is being "rejected" is not scripture, but your way of interpreting scripture.
Have you read Jude 5? Do you affirm that, or deny it?

"Now I want to remind you, although you once fully knew it, that Jesus, who saved[a] a people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed those who did not believe."
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Old 11-19-2021, 01:44 PM
 
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Great posts,
and ties into my 'scriptural' responses to an OP who only wants to hear 'scriptural responses'.

Lemme further my response (scripturally)...

"The aim of this instruction is love from a pure heart, a good conscience, and a sincere faith.
Some people have deviated from these and turned to meaningless talk,
wanting to be teachers of the law, but without understanding either what they are saying or what they assert with such assurance.
We know that the law is good, provided that one uses it as law, with the understanding that law is meant not for a righteous person but for the lawless and unruly..."
(1 Tim 1:5-9)
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Old 11-19-2021, 01:45 PM
 
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Have you read Jude 5? Do you affirm that, or deny it?

"Now I want to remind you, although you once fully knew it, that Jesus, who saved[a] a people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed those who did not believe."
wow - that verse sure seems to blow the whole 'once saved always saved' theory!
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Old 11-19-2021, 01:52 PM
 
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Have you read Jude 5? Do you affirm that, or deny it?

"Now I want to remind you, although you once fully knew it, that Jesus, who saved[a] a people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed those who did not believe."

Do I affirm or deny what, specifically?

That God was fed up with the constant griping and grumbling of the Israelites, so He caused the Cannanites to defeat them in battle? Is that what you mean? No. You have heard this said of old, but I say unto you that it didn't happen that way, in my opinion. Why do you ask?
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Old 11-19-2021, 01:54 PM
 
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Do I affirm or deny what, specifically?

That God was fed up with the constant griping and grumbling of the Israelites, so He caused the Cannanites to defeat them in battle? Is that what you mean? No. You have heard this said of old, but I say unto you that it didn't happen that way, in my opinion. Why do you ask?
Read the verse. Do you affirm that Jesus destroyed many? That's literally what it says.
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Old 11-19-2021, 01:55 PM
 
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wow - that verse sure seems to blow the whole 'once saved always saved' theory!
No. It really doesn't. Define "saved" in that context.
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Old 11-19-2021, 02:05 PM
 
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No. It really doesn't. Define "saved" in that context.
delivered, but still treading dirt.
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Old 11-19-2021, 02:06 PM
 
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Read the verse. Do you affirm that Jesus destroyed many? That's literally what it says.
The passage in Jude refers to the Israelites' scouting of Cannan and their deliberation about whether to invade (see Num 13-14). Moses thought that God approved the invasion, but many rank-and-file Israelites doubted it and complained about the plan. As punishment, God kept the complainers out of the promised land, and caused the Cannanites to successfully repel the first invasion.

Why Jude uses the name Jesus for God in his reference I do not know. Some translations say "The Lord" rather than "Jesus".

No, Jesus is not reported to have destroyed anybody, apart from a misreading of Jude.
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Old 11-19-2021, 02:08 PM
 
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Straw man. What is being "rejected" is not scripture, but your way of interpreting scripture.
BF's heart seems to be far away from Jesus because he interprets scripture from a heart of wrath and vengeance and not agape love and forgiveness, IMO.
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