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Old 03-04-2023, 01:18 PM
 
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I am trying to find the definition for hated in this verse. I don't know how to go about it. If anyone knows, thank you

hate
/hāt/
feel intense or passionate dislike for (someone).


To understand why God of Israel hated Esau you need to go to the Book of Genesis and learn about Esau - Genesis 25 trough 36.
God the Most High loved Esau. It was just the God whom Israel worship who hated him.
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Old 03-04-2023, 01:59 PM
 
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Hi, you have to consider the type of expressions used in the language of the day. It does not mean literal hate as we define and use it.

Here is a good article on it.

https://mercifultruth.com/doesgodhate.html

God bless.
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Old 03-04-2023, 04:01 PM
 
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I am trying to find the definition for hated in this verse. I don't know how to go about it. If anyone knows, thank you
"Hello" in return. Often in Scripture hated can just mean to love to a lesser degree.
Romans 9:10-13 connects to Malachi 1:2; and Hebrews 12:16
Esau did Not have appreciation for spiritual things at the time of Genesis 25:24-34
Thus, Easu was loved to a lesser degree than his brother.
The outcome in chapters 32 and 33 shows where brother Jacob is courageous walking towards Esau and embraces Esau.
Jacob takes the first step towards making peace with his brother and his brother accepts that. - Genesis 32:11-20
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Old 03-06-2023, 11:30 AM
 
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Hi, you have to consider the type of expressions used in the language of the day. It does not mean literal hate as we define and use it.

Here is a good article on it.

https://mercifultruth.com/doesgodhate.html

God bless.

I did consider the type of expression; however, if you accuse someone of something nasty, that the person didn’t commit, it is a sign of hate, not of loving less.

Esau, based on the fact in Genesis, was a perfect human being, worthy to be loved more, not less. Try to compare him to Jacob / Israel, and you find the truth behind all those common lies about Esau.
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Old 03-06-2023, 11:33 AM
 
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"Hello" in return. Often in Scripture hated can just mean to love to a lesser degree.
Romans 9:10-13 connects to Malachi 1:2; and Hebrews 12:16
Esau did Not have appreciation for spiritual things at the time of Genesis 25:24-34
Thus, Easu was loved to a lesser degree than his brother.
The outcome in chapters 32 and 33 shows where brother Jacob is courageous walking towards Esau and embraces Esau.
Jacob takes the first step towards making peace with his brother and his brother accepts that. - Genesis 32:11-20
Have you read the story in the Bible Matthew ?

Didn’t Esau truly care about the Blessing? (Genesis 27)
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Old 03-06-2023, 11:36 AM
 
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I am trying to find the definition for hated in this verse. I don't know how to go about it. If anyone knows, thank you
It means to hate. Just what it says.

He chose Jacob, and his descendants, and he hated Esau and his descendants because of their sin. Jacob and his descendants also had sin, but he chose to redeem them out of that.

Read on in the passage. God will choose whom he desires to have mercy on.
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Old 03-07-2023, 06:51 AM
 
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I am trying to find the definition for hated in this verse. I don't know how to go about it. If anyone knows, thank you
God hates, doesnt Love anyone outside of Christ, His Love is exclusive and only to be found in Jesus Christ. Rom 8:39

39 Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

οὔτε ὕψωμα οὔτε βάθος οὔτε τις κτίσις ἑτέρα δυνήσεται ἡμᾶς χωρίσαι ἀπὸ τῆς ἀγάπης τοῦ θεοῦ τῆς ἐν Χριστῷ Ἰησοῦ τῷ κυρίῳ ἡμῶν

Now it should be noted that the Love of God here in the greek has the definite article

This Love is exclusive and centered in Him.

Only those Chosen in Him[Christ Jesus] before the foundation are thus Loved

2 Tim 1:9

9 Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,

Eph 1:4

4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:

So all who are not in Christ Jesus so early are not Loved, but hated, abhorred or rejected by Him.
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Old 03-07-2023, 04:10 PM
 
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hate
/hāt/
feel intense or passionate dislike for (someone).
To understand why God of Israel hated Esau you need to go to the Book of Genesis and learn about Esau - Genesis 25 trough 36.
God the Most High loved Esau. It was just the God whom Israel worship who hated him.
In Bible speak 'hate' can just mean to love to a lesser degree - God loved Esau to a lesser degree.
- Luke 14:26; Romans 9:13; Malachi 1:3
Many years later at Genesis chapter 33:1 we find Jacob sees Esau, then in verse 4 Esau and Jacob embrace.
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Old 03-08-2023, 09:20 AM
 
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There was no reason for God to hate Esau, as Esau, based on Christian values was a perfect man.

The only explanation of this passage about God heating Esau, even before Esau was born, is that God of Pharisee Paul - God of Israel is Satan, the one who hates human beings.

Philip once wrote about Esau:

“To Whom Hath The Arm Of The Lord Been Revealed?

Nisi credideritis, non intelligetis. (St. Augustine)


What is the real name of God?

God is not God's name. However, the God of the Universe has a name.

You have Your own personal name. So does God.

"Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name", see Revelation 3:12.

Hence we must ask ourselves: what is the real name of the Lord God?

Jesus Christ has the name that is above every name, see Philippians 2:9. "Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved", see Acts 4:12.

Jesus Christ is our Lord and Father God.

The name Jesus signifies Savior, see Matthew 1:21.

Jesus is the Latin form of Esau.

Maybe, someone now understand why so many Jews, concerning Jesus Christ, shouted "Crucify him, crucify him!", see John 19:6, 2000 years ago, because they did not want this Jesus/Esau on the throne of David forever and forever, see Luke 1:33.

But this is nevertheless what should happen and has happened.

"I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now", see John 16:12.

Everything gets its answer in its appointed time.

Stu wrote to me a while ago, and asked if Esau is good, and if Jesus is the Latin form of Esau.

Thank You for Your patience Stu.

Here is my answer: no one is good except God the Father, and yes, Jesus is the Latin form of Esau.

Esau was Isaac's firstborn, and Jacob said to Esau, when he had wrestled with God, see Genesis 32:30: "I have seen thy face, as though I had seen the face of God, and thou wast pleased with me", see Genesis 33:10.

We know that our God both is the heavenly Father and the Creator, see John 1:3, 1:10, and 14:9.

Can You imagine the God of Israel create Arabs, Black People, and Asiatics, see Colossians 1:16?

And yet they are created, because our God Jesus/Esau creates and loves all peoples, see Revelation 5:9, and especially the Romans, see Romans 1:7 and 16:20.

It is written: "Lord, who hath believed our report? and to whom hath the arm of the Lord been revealed?", see John 12:38, and compare with Isaiah 53:1.

The Chief Priests and the Pharisees recognized Roman superiority, see John 11:48, because Jesus/Esau is God and came to serve, according to the words that the older will serve the younger, see Romans 9:12.

Now "it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated", see Romans 9:13.

Therefore our Lord God Jesus consequently says: "If the world hate you, ye know that it hated me before it hated you", see John 15:18.

Esau, by cultural law - because he was born first - inherited everything.

We remember that Isaac's sons, Esau and Jacob, were twins, but that Esau was the firstborn.

Jesus is the oldest and thereby got everything, see Colossians 1:15, compare with 2 Corinthians 4:4.

"Wisdom is the principal thing; therefore get wisdom: and with all thy getting get understanding", see Proverbs 4:7.

Just because a person is a Jew will not save them. They will be rejected unless they come to Christ through faith, compare with Matthew 8:12.

The good news in the New Testament is that Jesus Christ is all in all, and that He therefore is our peace, see Romans 5:1, and Ephesians 2:14.

Jesus Christ is a Jew, but He is also Esau, and thus a Roman as well.

Therefore the Latin language is promised to get world dominion, compare with Genesis 27:22.

"For if the casting away of them be the reconciling of the world, what shall the receiving of them be, but life from the dead? For if the firstfruit be holy, the lump is also holy: and if the root be holy, so are the branches", see Romans 11:15 - 16.

"And he said, What meanest thou by all this drove which I met? And he said, These are to find grace in the sight of my lord. And Esau said, I have enough, my brother; keep that thou hast unto thyself", see Genesis 33:8 - 9.

Now, if the Old Testament God truly hated Esau, then Esau is more powerful than that God, and is in fact the real God, since Esau was blessed and prospered.

However, did God really hate Esau? Compare with Deuteronomy 2:20 - 23.

As Esau wept, so Jesus wept, see Genesis 27:34, and compare with John 11:35.

Remember that Jesus takes notes of every circumstance you go through, see John 1:48.

The devil on the other hand does not own anything at all, see Matthew 28:18.

But, "Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour", see 1 Peter 5:8. "Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you", see James 4:7.

2000 years ago hate abounded in Israel. Therefore Jesus said: "A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another", see John 13:34.

Just because You are born a Jew does not mean that You automatically will be saved, but You must believe in Jesus Christ and follow Him. "Worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve", see Matthew 4:10.

The plain truth concerning the Catholic, Orthodox, and Protestant Churches, is that they often advocate the same sentiment that crucified our Lord God Jesus, the true Esau, and Father God.

But now they are crucified, together with the world, see Revelation 11:10.

Islam and the Muslims have Alexander the Great - the father of democracy and of brotherhood of mankind - as a Prophet. Islam also recognizes Esau in Christ.

I commend Islam for this.

When will You hear the Church applaud Alexander the Great for introducing democracy to the world? When will You hear the Church recognize that Jesus Christ manifests the Spirit and Face of Esau?

The victory belongs to the Christians, who recognize that Jesus is the Lord God the Father, and that the original and Latin name of Esau is Jesus.

Jesus is the sword of Esau, compare with 1 Chronicles 21:16, Hebrews 4:12, Revelation 1:16, and Revelation 12:5.

"Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree: That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith", see Galatians 3:13 - 14.

"Now thanks be unto God, which always causeth us to triumph in Christ, and maketh manifest the savour of his knowledge by us in every place", see 2 Corinthians 2:14.”

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Old 03-08-2023, 09:40 AM
 
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Esau was disliked, and, imo, main reason is here:

"34When Esau was forty years old, he took Judith the daughter of Beeri the Hittite to be his wife, and Basemath the daughter of Elon the Hittite, 35and they made life bitter for Isaac and Rebekah."
Wat was wrong with Judith ?

At the age of forty, before Jacob was trying to steel the BLESSING, Esau married two wives, both Hitties, or rather Hattians / Hurrians.





Some people are sorely puzzled over the account of Esau's wives and have even questioned the accuracy of the text. The follow paragraphs, besides helping our study, may clear up the seeming contradictions of many of our readers.


Esau's First Wife, Judith.

Esau's first wife was Judith. She was the daughter of Beeri, a Hittite.

http://www.historyfiles.co.uk/KingLi...ttiHattusa.htm

She is only mentioned once in the Bible;

Genesis 26

"34And Esau was forty years old when he took to wife Judith the daughter of Be-e'ri the Hittite,"

However, Judith's record in the Book of Jasher shows her enormous influence on development of the Edomite nation.

Bible lost track of Judith daughter of Berri the Hittite who was the first wife of Esau.

To find more information about Judith, Esau's wife, we have to look in to so called lost book of the Bible, the Book of Jasher.


The Book of Jasher, Chapter 28 reads:

http://www.sacred-texts.com/chr/apo/jasher/28.htm

"22 And Esau there saw in the land of Seir the daughter of a man of Canaan, and her name was Jehudith, the daughter of Beeri, son of Epher, from the families of Heth the son of Canaan.

23 And Esau took her for a wife, and he came unto her; forty years old was Esau when he took her, and he brought her to Hebron, the land of his father's dwelling place, and he dwelt there."

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Book of Jasher, Chapter 30

http://www.sacred-texts.com/chr/apo/jasher/30.htm

"21 And in the fifth year died Jehudith, the daughter of Beeri, the wife of Esau, in the land of Canaan, and she had no sons but daughters only.

22 And these are the names of her daughters which she bare to Esau, the name of the elder was Marzith, and the name of the younger was Puith.



26 And in those days, in the land of Canaan, there was a quarrel between the herdsmen of Esau and the herdsmen of the inhabitants of the land of Canaan, for Esau's cattle and goods were too abundant for him to remain in the land of Canaan, in his father's house, and the land of Canaan could not bear him on account of his cattle.

27 And when Esau saw that his quarreling increased with the inhabitants of the land of Canaan, he rose up and took his wives and his sons and his daughters, and all belonging to him, and the cattle which he possessed, and all his property that he had acquired in the land of Canaan, and he went away from the inhabitants of the land to the land of Seir, and Esau and all belonging to him dwelt in the land of Seir.

28 But from time to time Esau would go and see his father and mother in the land of Canaan, and Esau intermarried with the Horites, and he gave his daughters to the sons of Seir, the Horite.

29 And he gave his elder daughter Marzith to Anah, the son of Zebeon, his wife's brother, and Puith he gave to Azar, the son of Bilhan the Horite;

and Esau dwelt in the mountain, he and his children, and they were fruitful and multiplied."
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The reason why history of Judith / Jehudith, and her daughters: Marzith and Puzith, have been lost in the Bible is simple; Jewish Bible records only genealogies by the sons.

Because Judith died without giving birth to a son, but daughters only, they don't have place in the Jewish Bible. However, for the nation of Edom their story is extremely important.

As a tribe derives from father and nation from mother, daughters of patriarchs became the Ancestoral Mothers of the Nations.

This way, the daughters of Esau/Edom and Judith, become the ancestral mothers of the Jewish nation of Edom.

From chapter 30 we also learn that Esau gave his daughters to the sons of SEIR, his

- elder daughter Marzith to Anah, the son of Zebeon, his wife's brother,

- and

- Puith he gave to Azar, the son of Bilhan the Horite.

What do we know from the Bible about SEIR ???

In the beginning of Christ Era, descendants of Judith - Jude (Idumeans), were living in southern Palestine, their capital city was Hebron.
They were exterminated in AD 69, by Jewish rebels.



Judith, ju'-dith (Heb.)— feminine form of Judah.

Wife of Esau and daughter of Beeri the Hittite (Gen. 26:34).

Metaphysical. Judith, feminine of Judah, signifies the outer-sense soul (wife of Esau and daughter of Beeri the Hittite, both referring to the physical or sense man) or feminine aspect of praise- and-prayer thoughts in consciousness.

After Judith Judean Hills were named. Hebron is historical capital city of Edom, and tomb of Esau / Edom is located 18 km. from Hebron, in Seir / Sa’ir
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