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::Sigh:: Obey, obey, obey, obey, obey, obey . . . Of what value is this obedience? What does it achieve? Our pets obey. Are they pleasing God in some way? What does obedience accomplish???
Obedience shows true love. Disobedience exposes the false claim. Those who do not know that do not truly know the love of Go or what it means.
::Sigh:: Obey, obey, obey, obey, obey, obey . . . Of what value is this obedience? What does it achieve? Our pets obey. Are they pleasing God in some way? What does obedience accomplish???
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Originally Posted by expatCA
Obedience shows true love. Disobedience exposes the false claim. Those who do not know that do not truly know the love of Go or what it means.
That is not an answer. In the OT our ancestors THOUGHT they were obeying God by dashing babies heads or splitting open pregnant women. Was that showing true love???? It never was about obedience. It was about learning self-control over our baser urges using fear of God and promise of reward. That was merely the schoolmaster stage for our more savage and barbarous ancestors. It was just the beginning of wisdom . . . NOT the goal. By the time of Christ we had evolved sufficient self-control to enable us to use agape love as the real motivation . . . NOT obedience. As Christ said the fields were ripe for the harvest.
Those who are consumed by obedience and compliance do not TRUST God...
That is true, so it is obedience in love. Any other reason is of no value. Obedience includes going out side of our comfort zone and trusting God that is is good for us.
That is not an answer. In the OT our ancestors THOUGHT they were obeying God by dashing babies heads or splitting open pregnant women. Was that showing true love???? It never was about obedience. It was about learning self-control over our baser urges using fear of God and promise of reward. That was merely the schoolmaster stage for our more savage and barbarous ancestors. It was just the beginning of wisdom . . . NOT the goal. By the time of Christ we had evolved sufficient self-control to enable us to use agape love as the real motivation . . . NOT obedience. As Christ said the fields were ripe for the harvest.
You do not understand scripture nor why such accounts exist. You do not see the love of God behind them. Christ was obedient to death and set an example for us. God and His love have not changed, the scriptures are there to allow us to actually think about all that man did and what God will do and how God's love is a part of it. Men today are the ignorant ones because they do not know nor understand what is there and why.
Modern ignorant barbarians.
Actually modern man is more barbaric than men in the past. And many are more ignorant of God's written word and believe only in themselves.
That is not an answer. In the OT our ancestors THOUGHT they were obeying God by dashing babies heads or splitting open pregnant women. Was that showing true love???? It never was about obedience. It was about learning self-control over our baser urges using fear of God and promise of reward. That was merely the schoolmaster stage for our more savage and barbarous ancestors. It was just the beginning of wisdom . . . NOT the goal. By the time of Christ we had evolved sufficient self-control to enable us to use agape love as the real motivation . . . NOT obedience. As Christ said the fields were ripe for the harvest.
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Originally Posted by expatCA
You do not understand scripture nor why such accounts exist. You do not see the love of God behind them. Christ was obedient to death and set an example for us. God and His love have not changed, the scriptures are there to allow us to actually think about all that man did and what God will do and how God's love is a part of it. Men today are the ignorant ones because they do not know nor understand what is there and why.
Modern ignorant barbarians.
Actually modern man is more barbaric than men in the past. And many are more ignorant of God's written word and believe only in themselves.
Stop avoiding issues and being disingenuous. How is God's love a part of bashing babies heads or splitting open pregnant women, expatCA???? Obedience was a training device, period. It has no intrinsic value of its own. Children obey until they mature and learn to internalize the values the training was designed to teach and inculcate. Then the values become the broader guide . . . NOT mere obedience.
Stop avoiding issues and being disingenuous. How is God's love a part of bashing babies heads or splitting open pregnant women, expatCA???? Obedience was a training device, period. It has no intrinsic value of its own. Children obey until they mature and learn to internalize the values the training was designed to teach and inculcate. Then the values become the broader guide . . . NOT mere obedience.
Again you are ignorant of scripture.
Why did God allow that to occur, what did it teach, why is it NOT a lack of love on God's part?
You need to see beyond the act and what it encompasses in our relation with God, how it involved love towards others and why even their death was NOT unloving, why it was necessary. Until you understand God, you will only see the act in isolation.
Stop avoiding issues and being disingenuous. How is God's love a part of bashing babies heads or splitting open pregnant women, expatCA???? Obedience was a training device, period. It has no intrinsic value of its own. Children obey until they mature and learn to internalize the values the training was designed to teach and inculcate. Then the values become the broader guide . . . NOT mere obedience.
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Originally Posted by expatCA
Again you are ignorant of scripture.
Why did God allow that to occur, what did it teach, why is it NOT a lack of love on God's part?
You need to see beyond the act and what it encompasses in our relation with God, how it involved love towards others and why even their death was NOT unloving, why it was necessary. Until you understand God, you will only see the act in isolation.
Only those who believe in absurdities can excuse or rationalize Evil atrocities as Good because supposedly God was involved. It is a travesty of ancient ignorance retained through indoctrination and blind acceptance of words "written in ink" as a sign of faith in God. There is NO universe or rationale under which bashing babies' heads and splitting open pregnant women with swords is loving! Those who have accepted such atrocities as loving will not enjoy trying to explain their acceptance to God.
Stop avoiding issues and being disingenuous. How is God's love a part of bashing babies heads or splitting open pregnant women, expatCA???? Obedience was a training device, period. It has no intrinsic value of its own. Children obey until they mature and learn to internalize the values the training was designed to teach and inculcate. Then the values become the broader guide . . . NOT mere obedience.
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Originally Posted by expatCA
Again you are ignorant of scripture.
Why did God allow that to occur, what did it teach, why is it NOT a lack of love on God's part?
You need to see beyond the act and what it encompasses in our relation with God, how it involved love towards others and why even their death was NOT unloving, why it was necessary. Until you understand God, you will only see the act in isolation.
A god-n-the-tiny=box that uses MURDER to teach a lesson is a MURDERER..
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