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i mean, you are kidding right? Christ is (not was, btw, but one hairball at a time) "Not advocating pacifism nor denying self defence," but just only allowed the mob to crucify Him because...? Because why. Do you really need me to go drag up the obvious verses that trash your theory all to heck, there, Matthew 4:4?
coughcoughbscough...
i mean, you are kidding right? Christ is (not was, btw, but one hairball at a time) "Not advocating pacifism nor denying self defence," but just only allowed the mob to crucify Him because...? Because why. Do you really need me to go drag up the obvious verses that trash your theory all to heck, there, Matthew 4:4?
'Allowed' himself so that Jesus would be a ransom for us - Matthew 20:28
Jesus could have walked away at any time.
Under the Constitution of the Mosaic Law ' eye for eye ' was Not to retaliate but to compensate - Exodus 21:26
If you stole a sheep you were to replace/compensate for the sheep, etc.
Under the Constitution of the old Mosaic Law an 'eye for an eye' did Not mean revenge but stood for equal justice. Today a victim often is Not compensated as they should be whereas under the Law he was.
In the matter of regarding insults, Jesus mentioned an eye for an eye at Matthew 5:38-39.
Jesus was Not advocating pacifism nor denying self defence, but teaching that Christians do not have to pay back blow for blow as in retaliating in vengeance.
true but I was speaking of an older law called
' the blood laws' it has to do with those bull kings who are our ancestors here and in most of the Americas where a clan man revenged the murdered of someone in his female family / clan . those laws literally was an eye for an eye. that is what is owed to bring about justice or balance as in weights and measures and spiritually someway . it is still owed ..
but then the mosaic law a person can pay back the debt ( up to x 4 ) created by sin ..and give the life of an animal to pay God for the sin or animals for what they still owed to someone else ..for their "sins"/ trespasses against anyone else they had debts tp pay . right ? they still owed a debt but the sheep and extra sheep pays the debts in the immediate .... it was still owed and God asks that he is allowed to pay what is owed in any other ways by giving you blessings of your crops and fields right ? but extracts a sheep from the sinner for the levite who mediates it .
now the new law in Jesus asks us to forgive the person. illuminating the levite for now ... why .. maybe because he wants to be the clan redeemer in his coming time /age and do that his way. but if you trespass anyone in anyway a debit is still owed . only He says he will pay you back all you are owed x 100 and that doesn't remove the other persons debt to him ... it is only that he will choose to forgive them or extract the debt from them later and it then becomes not about you and them but you look to him and from him . not to them.
God is lawful and has been for a very long time ,
men are not so much .
but sin causes debt from those trespasses .
My theory is, see, that if you get hold of someone early enough, or maybe if they're scared enough, of whatever, just scared, fearful types, tending toward silent hysteria, you know, glued to the news, and moved by it, the veil gets really heavy, like cemented in, and when someone, some guy in a tie, successful, you know, comes along, with a confident smile and a contract he signed for Jesus, this guy (6), and his contract, 501 (6), c3 (6), well, they just appear like...i dunno, an angel of light or something, and scared people just reach out and grab that anchor with all their might, and shut their eyes tight, so tight they can't even read, the Book that has become their god, because they got the word, and are now assured, done looking, done seeking, they have found the Promland, had one swear that to me today, they have followed the pointed finger to the mansion in the sky, somewhen, and they believe it, and they don't doubt the Book for a second, because they can't read It to see that they are in There, being described right in There, the ones that ate and drank in His Presence, the workers of iniquity, right there in plain English, μισθός ἀδικίας , depriving another of what is his now, Babbeling crap they have no Witness for, and pointing fingers at Atheists, and God.
love how Greek got put right next to "plain English" there, priceless, lol. wish i could take the credit.
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26Then shall ye begin to say, We have eaten and drunk in thy presence, and thou hast taught in our streets. 27But he shall say, I tell you, I know you not whence ye are; depart from me, all ye workers of iniquity. 28There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth, when ye shall see Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, and all the prophets, in the kingdom of God, and you yourselves thrust out.
Many will say to Me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?'
He was limited to the middle eastern area and southern europe. Back then travel was complicated and time consuming. People in Jesus area were not even aware that north america existed and once Jesus was a man he lost his omnicence he had all our same limitions but he did know of those who were far off and that even though he could not travel that far that they would be saved based on their consious. People know deep down whats evil and that something had to create all this.
you all limit Jesus to his spit and dirt " body" that has nothing to do with him as "God" speaking to men everywhere . no I do not believe Jesus came to America in a fallen body form , that doesn't mean he didn't come here and that he still does come here directly or by his messengers that we could never know it wasn't him... a messenger isn't the message and the message is from the one who sent it , thus the message is Them. but I know that surely some of the first few generations of his disciples got here ( bat creek stone) the new world was once a freeway and even considered like a 'heaven' in ancient time before the event science is incapable of explaining and the reason north america has moon dirt from one side of it to the other side of it.. they are incapable of explaining it .. it really has always been a freeway for boats .
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