Why didn't Jesus talk to Native Americans? (preacher, priests, disciples)

[n..Xuipa]

Abraham could not be in heaven as we are told:

KJV John 3:13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.

not until Jesus raised , then all the living in him( from all nations ) who were by faith and in ( death ) were released from death's grip ( authority) . there is like hundreds of scriptures pointing to that and what he did including how even the worldly recorded what they say was dead people coming up from the grave around the time he did . Is this is why all nations converted to Jesus so easily are men so easily converted ? Maybe because people were seen in all nations who had died but were seen later alive ? there was only one way that could happen and that is about those ancient prophesy and why all those tombs have pictures of their kings
ascending from the power of death. it is prophesy that the son of the Lord of spirits would come and over power death and the grave. and then he did it.

[Hannibal Flavius]

Originally Posted by n..Xuipa

. we will be given a new flesh which will (a)rise.. but the soul of the person isn't dead of the righteous or unrighteous. but in him only is their life everlasting and at his side where he is after the body wastes away.

Only the very few overcomers receive a great and powerful resurrected body and this SPECIFICALLY because it is what the righteous build themselves. These are the first fruits of Christ and to call them firstfruits means that they were just born of virgins just as Jesus died as a pure submissive virgin to the will of the father and so we see a consummation takes place when Jesus died, was seeded into the ground and rose as the first fruit son of many sons to follow but we only see 144,000 virgins who give birth to firstfruit sons in Revelation having the name of God in their forehead and right hand and ONLY the firstfruits alone obtain a resurrected body full of power BECAUSE THEY ARE BRETHREN, BECAUSE THEY GAVE BITH AS VIRGINS TO FULL GROWN MEN WHO ARE BORN AGAIN BRETHREN.


Maybe the brides will have a new body one day, but being a bride doesn't allow you to obtain the first resurrection


1 Corinthians 3 ~ THE HOUSE/BODY you are working on, if it burns, then what was yours will not be given to you because you were put into this body of flesh and you were not trustworthy enough to do God's work as a Priest in this short life, WHY THEN would you expect God to give you a very powerful resurrected body that will judge all people if you have been unworthy with such a useless body of death as the one you are in now?




10According to the grace of God which is given unto me, as a wise masterbuilder, I have laid the foundation, and another buildeth thereon. But let every man take heed how he buildeth thereupon. 11For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ. 12Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble; 13Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is. 14If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a REWARD. 15If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.




You die and this is resurrection day as all the righteous are standing in the flames of that fire untouched BECAUSE the body they were working on was able to withstand the great heat of the day.


If you and your body burn in the coming burning day of the oven, then you are watching your new body burn. When you are born again, and Christ is actually formed in you, that child is caught up to God while still connected with you and you have to give it the milk of the word in order that it can eat the meat of the word because if you are found with a Baby in the day of the fire, you will see that promised body go up in flames and you alone saved but with no child, and this is the difference between the brides, and the brides who bear full grown sons on firstfruits.


Being saved and being a bride is all well and fine with their salvation but they don't weep and gnash their teeth because they went to hell, they weep and gnash their teeth because they had no idea what they were supposed to be building and they had no idea that God created a new thing whereby a woman MUST give forth a full grown son, and that son is your next body, your next life, and if it burns, you will have to fear what the decision is of the second death, but the firstfruits wont have any fear of the second death, they are raised.




A bride of Christ with he salvation alone stands in the outer court where there is salvation to the multitudes, but the majority of brides will seek to enter into the bridal chambers to consummate the marriage and they will be turned away, not able to enter in and they themselves are saved, but only as a bride. They don't consummate the wedding and so they could not possibly give birth of Firstfruits during the fall Holy days BECAUSE they have no sons from a consummation.


MANY brides will be told where to purchase the oil so that they receive oil to light their way, but as they are out buying oil, the door is closed to them and they say,'' OPEN EVEN TO US.''


But the door has been closed because after you find out where to buy the oil of learning to light your way, you have just begun, the oil is for years of teaching a person but before the person can be taught for years, he must purchase the oil and EXTREEMLY FEW people are willing to do this.


Many will come in all smiling to recline with Abraham and Isaac, and they will be led outside the door.


Many will come into the wedding banquet AFTER the marriage, AFTER the consummation and they will have no wedding garment and so what are they doing there?


That wedding garment is the very last layer of the veil, the closet thing to the Ark and it is a fine woven work of linen that the bride must make herself.

[Trance750]

Why would God punish someone who didn't know the Truth? That's like saying 'Does a baby go to hell because he/she didn't have a chance to know The Truth'

[n..Xuipa]

Originally Posted by Trance750

Why would God punish someone who didn't know the Truth? That's like saying 'Does a baby go to hell because he/she didn't have a chance to know The Truth'

all children, all faithful to the ancient laws( if they bow because they find him familiar ) , all babies and all humble.. will go into the next age .. some through knowledge and faithfulness in this life earn a better body( resurrection) arising through the fires to help him in the next age only because they know the job description and what is coming and what will be required . because he can't be a man on a throne and baby sitter too .... because his know him by faith not sight and know their job description, the greatest in his kingdom is a servant to all. and if you know someone by faithfulness and knowledge ( oneness like a marriage ) you are a better help mate ( even servant ) to the one you know right ? He has been looking for help mates in all people for all ages and that is the reason he calls the church his bride... for his next age.
Abraham was not a
"jew " or from a Jew... but he heard God and had faith in God , so God chose him to build his kingdom from. of personal relationships like a family .
and there has been many others like Abraham and they will have a place with the faithful/committed in his kingdom .

Truth is all men know him but men like to kill their gods and kings and will do so even at the cost of the own soul. and They do that everyday and everyday in history there are clear examples of it . but in ignorance and in their fear and cowardess but still arrogance will fight him at his coming and he will remove those who don't bow but fight. they will force him to remove them .

only through faithfulness to him do we earn a place in his kingdom as his servant to help him because he created us for a job and job for us and he made us into that place he needs us to help him.

[MysticPhD]

Originally Posted by nateswift

Not just a one-time deal though, Revelation is continuous for those open to it.

Why on earth would anyone think God stopped inspiring us or revealing His truth to our hearts?????

[expatCA]

Originally Posted by n..Xuipa

not until Jesus raised , then all the living in him( from all nations ) who were by faith and in ( death ) were released from death's grip ( authority) . there is like hundreds of scriptures pointing to that and what he did including how even the worldly recorded what they say was dead people coming up from the grave around the time he did . Is this is why all nations converted to Jesus so easily are men so easily converted ? Maybe because people were seen in all nations who had died but were seen later alive ? there was only one way that could happen and that is about those ancient prophesy and why all those tombs have pictures of their kings
ascending from the power of death. it is prophesy that the son of the Lord of spirits would come and over power death and the grave. and then he did it.

Hi,

Note the VS speaking of the "bodies" as being raised not a resurrection to life. Only one account of that and not having occurred until after the earthquake when Jesus died and was not yet resurrected, so it could not be a resurrection to heaven in any event. Jesus went to heaven some 40 days later.

Again Paul spoke of the resurrection as coming much later, Martha did and Jesus agreed and did not correct her. There are not hundreds of scriptures speaking of a resurrection right after Jesus' death and resurrection except a when an apostle resurrected someone to... life again on earth and death still ahead of them.

It matters not to anyone dead as they know nothing while dead and basically when they hear Christ's voice they come alive again and .... do not know how much time has passed.

There are a variety of reasons for pagan teachings that are kinda like the Bible and the primary one is to get people to believe something different than what God has told us in the Bible. Satan has been doing that since day one (Well OK day 7). Adam and Eve found out he lied then. Today we have to separate the lies to deceive from the truth. Remove the teachings of weeds/tares from what God is telling us.

[n..Xuipa]

¶
But unto every one of us is given grace according to the measure of the gift of Christ.
Eph 4:8
Wherefore he saith, When he ascended up on high, he led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men.
Eph 4:9
(Now that he ascended, what is it but that he also descended first into the lower parts of the earth?
Eph 4:10
He that descended is the same also that ascended up far above all heavens, that he might fill all things.)


how about Elijah ? he did not die !


it says Heb 11:5
By faith Enoch was taken from this life, so that he did not experience death: “He could not be found, because God had taken him away.”[fn] For before he was taken, he was commended as one who pleased God. he never saw death !
how much more so after He made death his captive and raised Abraham and David his father to his side ?


Now then, at the resurrection, whose wife will she be of the seven, since all of them were married to her?”
Mat 22:29
Jesus replied, “You are in error because you do not know the Scriptures or the power of God.

Mat 22:31
But about the resurrection of the dead—have you not read what God said to you,
Mat 22:32
‘I am the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob’[fn]? He is not the God of the dead but of the living.”

Mar 12:26
Now about the dead rising—have you not read in the Book of Moses, in the account of the burning bush, how God said to him, ‘I am the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob’[fn]?
Mar 12:27
He is not the God of the dead, but of the living. You are badly mistaken!”



Jhn 5:24
“Very truly I tell you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life and will not be judged but has crossed over from death to life.

Rom 5:17
For if, by the trespass of the one man, death reigned through that one man, how much more will those who receive God's abundant provision of grace and of the gift of righteousness reign in life through the one man, Jesus Christ!

2Co 5:6
Therefore we are always confident, knowing that, whilst we are at home in the body, we are absent from the Lord:
2Co 5:7
(For we walk by faith, not by sight
2Co 5:8
We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord.

I am confident He over came death and hell and set the captives free.. and will judge death and hell and all it's contents at the tribulation . but life has no part in death . Only this shell returns to the dust and I return to my maker for a new one . I am confedent

[bbyrd009]

then what about it is given for a man to die once? ty

[n..Xuipa]

Originally Posted by bbyrd009

then what about it is given for a man to die once? ty

with man's knowledge (or lack of it )of God's truth we can't even define life and death , when it starts or when it ends . certainly not from his perspective and you want me to tell you the secrets of it ? sorry not happening.

I mean the dead are resurrected and the resurrected can still be dead and not of the book of life and not of the living . and where consciousness fits in all that who can guess !!!
all we know for sure is consciousness and this from of
independence or sovereignty from Him isn't in anyway " life" but some form of shadows or mud and dirt and spit of it .
so that would be be my best guess for now .

[nateswift]

Originally Posted by bbyrd009

then what about it is given for a man to die once? ty

The rest of the quote is, "and after that the judgement," which indicates a continuation of consciousness after physical death at some point. Judgement clearly indicates how that continuation is to proceed, and I think a LOT of us are going to have a fair amount to learn.