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Michigan and Minnesota are similar states, which is no surprise considering they are both in the Upper Midwest. Detroit suburbs are denser than Mpls - STP suburbs, and usually less economically and ethnically diverse.
Yeah, I was wrong about the population. I had included Boulder (which is continuous with Denver's metro), and thought there was more to boost up the numbers (CSA). But still, Minneapolis is not in a different league than Denver. Oh, and Denver having that huge airport in it's city limits brings down it's density (though, I'm not sure what density has to do with anything).
parts of the airport here are within the minneapolis city limits. i dont think that minneapolis is way ahead of denver, they are similar in many catagories.
But Minneapolis's airport is no where near the land size of Denver's (which is the largest airport in the world, IIRC.). I agree with the other part of your post.
Below is a list of a few companies headquartered in the Minneapolis area. Is this dynamic enough for you?
Company Name - Revenue
Description
Cargill Inc. - $120B
Multinational agriculture company
UnitedHealth Group Inc. – $87.1B
Benefit design and implementation for companies, owns and operates health plans
Target Corp. – $65.4B
Retailer
Best Buy Co. Inc. - $49.7B
Retailer
Supervalu Inc. - $44.6B
Grocery wholesaler and retailer
CHS Inc. - $25.7B
Energy and agricultural cooperative
3M Co. – $23.1B
Global diversified technology company
U.S. Bancorp - $19.5B
Regional bank holding company
Medtronic Inc. - $15.5B
Medical device technologies
General Mills Inc. - $14.8B
Consumer foods
Land O'Lakes - $10.4B
Dairy
Mosaic Co. – $10.3B
Produces and distributes concentrated phosphate and potash crop nutrients, nitrogen fertilizers and feed ingredients.
Xcel Energy Inc. - $9.6B
Electric and natural gas utility
Ameriprise Financial Inc. - $7.9B
Diversified financial services
C.H. Robinson Worldwide Inc. - $7.6B
Transportation services and logistics support
Thrivent Financial for Lutherans - $6.5B
Financial services
Ecolab Inc. - $5.9B
Provides cleaning, sanitizing, food safety, infection control products and maintenance products and services
Nash Finch Co. - $5.2B
Food wholesaler and owner and operator of supermarkets
Alliant Techsystems Inc. – $4.8B
Develops aerospace and defense products and systems
St. Jude Medical Inc. - $4.7B
Makes cardiovascular medical devices
Carlson Companies - $4.3B
Owns hotel, restaurant, and travel franchises
Patterson Cos Inc. – $3.2B
Distributes dental, veterinary and rehabilitation supplies and equipment
Valspar Corp. - $2.9B
Makes paint and coatings
M A Mortenson - $2.8B
Construction
Pentair Inc. - $2.7B
A diversified operating company; Water Group makes products for the movement, treatment, storage and enjoyment of water; Technical Products Group makes standard, modified and custom enclosures that house and protect sensitive electronics
Rosen's Diversified - $2.6B
Meat products
Andersen Corporation - $2.5B
Manufacturer of windows
Regis Corp. - $2.4B
Owns, operates and franchises hair salons in mall and strip-center locations
OneBeacon Insurance Group - $2.4B
Offers a range of specialty and personal insurance products and services
Holiday Companies - $2.0B
Convenience stores
Polaris Industries Inc. - $1.6B
Makes snowmobiles, all-terrain vehicles and motorcycles, garments and accessories
The Toro Co. – $1.5B
Makes turf maintenance equipment and precision irrigation systems for golf courses, sports fields, public green spaces, commercial and residential properties, and agricultural fields.
MoneyGram International Inc. - $1.2B
Provides global money transfer, money order and payment processing products and services
ADC Telecommunications Inc. - $1.1B
Provides communications network infrastructure and services worldwide
Gander Mountain Co. - $1.1B
Specialty retailer of outdoor goods
Life Time Fitness Inc. – $837M
Operates sports and athletic, professional fitness, family recreation and resort/spa centers
Lawson Software Inc. - $713.5M
Provides financial management, human resources, professional services automation, procurement, business intelligence and other business management related software
Fair Isaac Corp. (FICO) – $618.8M
Business analytics and decision management technology company
Select Comfort Corp. - $544.2M
Makes and sells adjustable-firmness beds and other sleep-related products
Buffalo Wild Wings Inc. - 538.9M
Restaurant chain
Piper Jaffray Cos. - $482.5M
General securities brokerage, corporate and public finance
Securian Financial Group, Inc. - $339M
Financial services corporation
Capella Education Co. - $334.6M
Online post-secondary education services company specializing in master's and doctoral degrees.
Caribou Coffee Co. Inc. – $262.5M
Coffeehouses
Famous Dave's of America Inc. - $136M
Restaurant chain
It hurts to see Northwest Airlines no longer on this list!
What steel mills? I'm sure there were some, but the mills in the Twin Cities were based off of flour and surpassed Buffalo in terms of production eventually. Buffalo had both as well.
I think he is kidding. But actually, US Steel did have a plant in St Paul that closed in the 70s I believe. There is also a small steel mill in St Paul that is till operating. Neither are/were a very big part of the cities' economy, though.
take away the airport and it is still not anywhere near 7,000 ppm. the only reason i brought up minneapolis density and square miles is because its hard for a city with only 54.9 square miles to get that big. there was a time when minneapolis had over 500,000 with a density well over 9,000 ppm hopefully it will get there again and im sure denvers population within the city limits will continue to rise. i wish minneapolis had over 100 square miles to work with because as of now it hardly brakes the top 50 largest and at one time it was in the top 11.
take away the airport and it is still not anywhere near 7,000 ppm. the only reason i brought up minneapolis density and square miles is because its hard for a city with only 54.9 square miles to get that big. there was a time when minneapolis had over 500,000 with a density well over 9,000 ppm hopefully it will get there again and im sure denvers population within the city limits will continue to rise. i wish minneapolis had over 100 square miles to work with because as of now it hardly brakes the top 50 largest and at one time it was in the top 11.
Find me a zip code in Minneapolis that is 17.5k per square mile. Denver's 80203 has this.
But a better density comparison is listing the top its there zipe codes in density. I believe Denver's next most dense zips are around 11k.
And yes the houston poster is correct about the airport, which was never a part of the city until 1990 and takes up 50 sq miles alone. if you were to go to denver city you''d be mistaken and perhaps reckless to think its 3900 psm.
In regards to GDP, the two metropolitan areas are pretty close in size. The Minneapolis MSA is around 3.3 million and the Denver MSA is around 2.6 million. The GDP of Minneapolis however, is higher than that of Phoenix (MSA 4.4 million) and about to pass Detroit (MSA 4.4 million). Also, GDP has to do with the market value of all final goods and services produced within a metropolitan area so I'm not sure how you can tie company headquarters to the number. Finally, the fact that St. Paul borders Minneapolis really doesn't have anything to do with the area's GDP as there are over 330 suburbs in the TC metropolitan area.
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BTW, I don't completely disagree with you Scarface713 as you do have valid points. It's just that I have lived in both cities/metros long enough to know the differences.
Although I respect your view it is hardly supported by numbers. Denver has the largest number of Federal workers outside D.C. It has a mint, the 10th circuit courthouse, and a higher global city ranking than the MINN city and lets face it, Denver is a more desired destination and this is supported by public opinion any day of the week. In fact, I would venture to say the amount of people who vacation/visit Denver over Minneapolis is substantial.
I think MINN city is cool and is very underrated but come on your claiming it is way ahead of Denver. From our previous conversations I still think you really never got to know the mile high city. Living somewhere for a couple of years hardly qualifies someone as an "expert'. I know locals that know less about the city than I. Anybody who claims to know Denver must know about its federal workers presence. I mean the federal center alone has 6200 ppl from 26 different federal agencies.
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Why don't the numbers support anything he says? What does federal employment have to do with GDP or population?
Did you read the post?
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