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Seriously though, I think it probably is due to the fact that downtown Pitt has a more vibrant core. Not to say that Milwuakee is bad, but I think Pitt has more going on in that arena...
I don't doubt Pittsburgh has a better downtown than Milwaukee (that's not a very hard feat to accomplish), but I would argue that our perimeter neighborhoods like East Town, the Lower East Side, Riverwest, Brewer's Hill, the Third Ward, Walker's Point, Bay View, etc. could go toe-to-toe with any trendy neighborhood in Pittsburgh.
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Pittsburgh also seems to edge out Milwuakee in terms of Fortune 500 companies, but just barely...
No way is Pittsburgh under 300k in population.....
There's conflicting numbers for Pittsburgh's population. Wikipedia lists Pittsburgh's population at 316,718 as of 2006, while ACS lists it as 295,988 as of 2008. Either way it's still a net loss from 2000, not to mention the metro area as a whole is declining as well.
You're comparing NE and ID to Pittsburgh....So I think Pittsburgh is more of a desitination than those places. Not hard to figure out.
Actually, Sioux Falls is in South Dakota not Idaho. IDK if I would describe Pittsburgh, or any of the Rust Belt cities for that matter, as "destinations."
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Yes Really it is - Pittsburgh is number 6 according to Forbes in Tech Cities
As well Pittsburgh has 8 Fortune 500 companies 10 if you count Companies with great presence in the Burgh but not or no longered HQ'd
Pittsburgh has and always had a significant Financial Presence....
Milwaukee has 8 F500's as well.
Milwaukee is leading the way in "green collar" jobs. Ingateam and Talgo, both Spanish firms, have chosen to set up operations in Milwaukee where they will manufacture wind turbines and high speed trains in formerly abandoned sites in the Menominee River Valley. Johnson Controls is a major manufacturer of batteries for hybrid vehicles.
Milwaukee is also a major player in the financial sector and is home to Northwestern Mutual, Northern Trust, Robert W. Baird & Assoc., Fiserv, Guaranty Bank, and M&I Bank.
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About the age - Ok Pittsburgh has the highest median age...so why is it so hard to believe the old are dying off quicker than the birth rate....Pittsburgh's largest inward migrated age group has been 25-36yr olds
So yes the city is becoming more young and affluent....and a harder place to make a living for the Uneducated
Whatever the case may be, the city of Pittsburgh as well as its surrounding suburban counties are continuing to lose population, which is never a good thing.
Being named the most livable city one time is not "year-in and year-out." In 2009, Pittsburgh was #10 on the same list. Besides, the list has only been around for 2 years.
Milwaukee does get ignored a lot, though. Maybe Forbes is guilty of it too.
That Forbes list is heavily slanted towards the Northeast, damn near half the cities were in New England.
BTW, Forbes does show Milwaukee a lot of love too.
Best Cities For Singles 2009 - Forbes.com
1. New York City
2. Boston
3. Chicago
4. Seattle
5. Washington D.C.
6. Atlanta
7. San Francisco
8. Los Angeles
9. Milwaukee
10. Philadelphia
11. Austin
12. San Diego
13. Denver-Aurora
14. Cleveland
15. Providence
16. Portland
17. Dallas
18. Buffalo
19. Minneapolis
20. Virginia Beach-Norfolk
21. Baltimore
22. Las Vegas
23. St. Louis
24. Pittsburgh
25. Houston
26. Orlando
27. San Antonio
28. Columbus
29. Miami
30. Phoenix
31. Indianapolis
32. Charlotte
33. Tampa-St. Petersburg
34. Detroit
35. Sacramento
36. Memphis
37. Kansas City
38. Cincinnati
39. Salt Lake City
40. Jacksonville
America's Drunkest Cities - Forbes.com
1. Milwaukee
2. Minneapolis-St. Paul
3. Columbus
4. Boston
5. Austin
6. Chicago
7. Cleveland
8. Pittsburgh
9. Philadelphia
9. Providence
11. St. Louis
12. San Antonio
12. Seattle
14. Las Vegas
15. Denver/Boulder
16. Cincinnati
16. Kansas City
18. Houston
19. Portland
20. San Francisco-Oakland
20. Washington-Baltimore
22. Phoenix
23. Los Angeles
24. New Orleans
24. Tampa
26. Norfolk
27. Dallas-Fort Worth
28. Atlanta
28. Detroit
30. Indianapolis
31. Orlando
32. New York
33. Miami
34. Charlotte
35. Nashville
Where To Educate Your Children - Forbes.com
1. Washington, D.C.-Arlington, Va.
2. Madison, Wis.
3. Cambridge-Newton-Framingham, Mass.
4. Baltimore-Towson, Md.
5. Akron, Ohio
6. Columbus, Ohio
7. Albany-Schenectady-Troy, N.Y.
8. Syracuse, N.Y.
9. St. Louis, Mo.
10. Ann Arbor, Mich.
11. Minneapolis-St. Paul, Minn.-Bloomington, Minn.
12. Richmond, Va.
13. Rochester, N.Y.
14. Wilmington, Del. and surrounding Maryland and New Jersey
15. Hartford-West Hartford, Conn.
16. Lexington-Fayette, Ky.
17. Milwaukee-Waukesha-West Allis, Wis.
18. San Jose-Sunnyvale-Santa Clara, Calif.
19. Columbia, Mo.
20. Durham, N.C.
Best Cities For Young Professionals - Forbes.com
1. San Francisco, Calif.
2. Boston, Mass.
3. Houston, Texas
4. New York. N.Y.
5. Minneapolis, Minn.
6. Washington, D.C.
7. Chicago, Ill.
8. Charlotte, N.C.
9. Milwaukee, Wis.
10. Austin, Texas
11. San Diego, Calif.
12. Raleigh, N.C.
13. Pittsburgh, Pa.
14. Philadelphia, Pa.
15. St. Louis, Mo.
16. Nashville, Tenn.
17. Atlanta, Ga.
18. Dallas, Texas
19. Seattle, Wash.
20. Denver, Colo.
21. Portland, Ore.
22. Los Angeles, Calif.
23. Cincinnati, Ohio
24. New Orleans, La.
25. Columbus, Ohio
26. Kansas City, Mo./Kan.
27. Cleveland, Ohio
28. Sacramento, Calif.
29. San Antonio, Texas
30. Indianapolis, Ind.
31. Phoenix, Ariz.
32. Virginia Beach-Norfolk, Va.
33. Detroit, Mich.
34. Buffalo, N.Y.
35. Providence, R.I.
36. Salt Lake City, Utah
37. Orlando, Fla.
38. Las Vegas, Nev.
39. Miami, Fla.
40. Tampa, Fla.
You didnt just say this...my eyes must be deciving me....
or this
Implies to me that in your book a Downtown is only Vibrant if its livley after 6pm...
It implies it "to you," but that's not remotely close to what I actually said.
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Because your making blatant statement without all the facts...sure downtown Pittsburgh for the most part shuts down after the work hours....Because Pittsburgh downtown was largely a CBD, a place to do business and nothing more...People went to the neighborhoods for their living and nightlife activities....and its still pretty much this way today...but look at Downtown Pittsburgh during the business day (you know before your 6pm benchmark) and it just as bustling and vibrant as the Loop or Midtown Manhattan.
Now I admit I don't know what Milwaukee's Downtown looks likes if it rivals Pittsburgh then that just great or if it transforms into Manhattan after 6pm even better.
No, I'm not making a "blanket statement," I made a generalization. And I made it based on personal experience having spent plenty of time in both. And it is my opinion, based on that experience, that Milwaukee's downtown is more vibrant. As you say, "Pittsburgh doesnt [sic] depend on Downtown for Nightlife activity." Well, Milwaukee does in part; unlike Pittsburgh, downtown is one of Milwaukee's more prominent nightlife areas. That's part of what makes it more vibrant than downtown Pittsburgh, in my opinion. I don't know why that opinion bothers you so much that you have to imagine things I said and respond defensively to your own imagination, especially if "Pittsburgh doesnt [sic] depend on Downtown for Nightlife activity." If it doesn't matter, stop being so defensive about it.
It honestly doesn't matter one bit to me which city's downtown is more vibrant than the other. As I've made clear before, I don't consider Pittsburgh's "closed at 6pm" downtown a weakness or a detriment to its livability. And I don't even like Milwaukee all that much. I simply offered a counter-opinion to someone's claim that Pittsburgh gets more attention than Milwaukee because its downtown core is more vibrant. Having experienced both, that interpretation makes no sense to me. Of all the reasons why Pittsburgh gets more attention than Milwaukee, that one doesn't even register.
There's conflicting numbers for Pittsburgh's population. Wikipedia lists Pittsburgh's population at 316,718 as of 2006, while ACS lists it as 295,988 as of 2008. Either way it's still a net loss from 2000, not to mention the metro area as a whole is declining as well.
Like I've said before, Pittsburgh is simply shedding economic dead weight these days. It's addition by subtraction. The people who luckily hung onto their jobs in the 1980's are all older now, and they're the primary component of population loss. (Most of the people who leave Pittsburgh these days are over the age of 55.) Furthermore, since the birth rate in the region is very low, there aren't enough births to offset the deaths.
The main reason the birth rate is so low is because smart people don't breed. (This has been proven true of any society in the world.) Child-bearing age in the U.S. is roughly 25 to 44, and Pittsburghers in that age range are college-educated at a rate well above the national average. This high educational attainment among the younger adult population is one of many reasons why I strongly object to anybody referring to Pittsburgh as a "dying" city, and why I believe that anybody, especially self-loathing Pittsburghers, who say that "all the smart people leave," deserve to be slapped.
The only thing Pittsburgh needs to improve is its rate of foreign immigration, which is too low. Milwaukee is in a good situation there, as it a) never had to reinvent its entire economy, and b) enjoys spillover from Chicago. Because Pittsburgh had to completely change its raison d'etre over the last 25 years, it largely missed out on a wave of foreign immigrants from Asia and Latin America. Furthermore, Pittsburgh doesn't have Chicago nearby to siphon from.
Being named the most livable city one time is not "year-in and year-out." In 2009, Pittsburgh was #10 on the same list. Besides, the list has only been around for 2 years.
Don't just quote Forbes - a number of nation publication rated Pittsburgh "The Most Livable" city....so obviously the population loss is not so black and white to them......
Like I've said before, Pittsburgh is simply shedding economic dead weight these days. It's addition by subtraction. The people who luckily hung onto their jobs in the 1980's are all older now, and they're the primary component of population loss. (Most of the people who leave Pittsburgh these days are over the age of 55.) Furthermore, since the birth rate in the region is very low, there aren't enough births to offset the deaths.
No matter how you try to rationalize it, losing population is never positive. If it were just the city that would be one thing, but it's the whole metro area that's declining, at a faster rate than Cleveland or Detroit I might add.
The main reason the birth rate is so low is because smart people don't breed. (This has been proven true of any society in the world.) Child-bearing age in the U.S. is roughly 25 to 44, and Pittsburghers in that age range are college-educated at a rate well above the national average. This high educational attainment among the younger adult population is one of many reasons why I strongly object to anybody referring to Pittsburgh as a "dying" city, and why I believe that anybody, especially self-loathing Pittsburghers, who say that "all the smart people leave," deserve to be slapped.
Never said you were dying, but you're not doing nearly as well as you and the rest of the Pitt homers are portraying.
The only thing Pittsburgh needs to improve is its rate of foreign immigration, which is too low. Milwaukee is in a good situation there, as it a) never had to reinvent its entire economy, and b) enjoys spillover from Chicago. Because Pittsburgh had to completely change its raison d'etre over the last 25 years, it largely missed out on a wave of foreign immigrants from Asia and Latin America. Furthermore, Pittsburgh doesn't have Chicago nearby to siphon from.
"Pittsburgh doesn't have Chicago nearby to siphon from." Good one.
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