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It is actually helping Dallas infill as now most of it's growth is by new developments on the rail or in highrises throughout Uptown, Turtle Creek, and w/e this decade. Once the economy picks up, I expect more TOD's to be built around these stations.
oh yeah, development is going to increase along the lines, I am not saying it won't.
some people seem to think that the mere presence of rail will reverse the outward trend to the burbs. It most certainly won't.
The growth along the rails will occur, but it won't be limited to Dallas.
Dallas rate of infill will be the same with or without rail
actually if Houston was smart it would keep the bulk of the rail within the loop with a few strands out to the airports, the energy corridor and the galleria.
Why try to urbanize the suburbs? let the suburbs be the suburbs and try hard to develop a strong urban core.
trying to urbanize the entire thing will be the down fall of Dallas. It is not promoting urbanity it is just making it easier for more single family himes to be built in the suburb.
They are not actually trying to urbanize the suburbs. They are just giving the residents of the DART member cities what they asked for. Rail is what the citizens of every DART member city voted for back in the 1980s and Dallas had no say so in what Plano, Carrollton, or others wanted.
DART's system is very similar to Washington DC's system. It's an urban-suburban commuter type system. Pretty compact and walkable between the stations in downtowns and spread out the further you get away from Downtown DC. It has helped DC's suburbs become the example for other areas around the nation to build TOD's. It has also helped DC turn around it's population and they are now back over 600,000.
You're right that it two young people cannot compete with an entire family. However, some families do prefer the urban living although not as much.
the are along 35 from SA to George Town does not have 3.6M people.
why are you guys trying to distort the truth.
either you take all of the county or you take the reduced population. After all it is the entire DFW area SweetHomeSA is comparing it to
It says most of Lytle is in Atascosa. But that doesn't matter and has nothing to do with the urbanized area that starts in San Antonio not Atascosa and ends in georgetown not Jarrel which is 100 miles not 150. Even the Austin-San Antonio Corridor council says 90 miles from San Antonio to Georgetown. about 3.6 million in those six counties. The Greater Austin - San Antonio Corridor Council
Bexar is about 1,700,000
travis 1,000,000
Williamson 425,000
Hays 175,000
Comal 125,000
Guadalupe 121,000
oh yeah, development is going to increase along the lines, I am not saying it won't.
some people seem to think that the mere presence of rail will reverse the outward trend to the burbs. It most certainly won't.
The growth along the rails will occur, but it won't be limited to Dallas.
Dallas rate of infill will be the same with or without rail
Oh well that won't happen anywhere. Suburban living is popular in this country and that likely won't change unless we change our perception of our actual cities and start improving them in infrastructure, education, entertainment, and more.
They are not actually trying to urbanize the suburbs.
I think you missed how the convo started so you are not getting the full meaning of my post. This is the post I was referring to:
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Originally Posted by Lakewooder
Dallas has a plan to make the city much more dense "Forward Dallas" and with its huge rail light rail system, subway from City Place to downtown, The McKinney Avenue Trolley, the TRE heavy rail to Fort Worth and upcoming street car lines, there will be many TODs in its future. So I think it's possible that all the other cities will be passed up. There's also another huge project to turn the Trinity River into sort of a "Central Park" bordered by high-rises. A new 23-story apartment building was announced last week in the Design District near there. And the 42-story Museum Tower condo building downtown is now under construction.
The Dallas-area is growing faster than anyone thought. We were projected to have 6.5 million in a few years and apparently we already have 6.7 million. We should be at 7 million shortly.
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Originally Posted by Spade
Oh well that won't happen anywhere. Suburban living is popular in this country and that likely won't change unless we change our perception of our actual cities and start improving them in infrastructure, education, entertainment, and more.
In my opinion the perception of the cities don't mean crap.
you can make high density out to be shining palaces up in the sky and that won't change shiite. It is the American Dream to work, get married, buy a house and start a family. people want their own house with a yard where the kids can play and a dog can run. They want their own piece of america.
city living was only convenient when travelling was harder. cities hard to be compact because of this. people move closer to things when travel gets more and more inconvenient. building rail makes travel more convenient, giving people less of a reason to live closer.
Dallas has a strong possibility to overtake all but San Antonio, but at one time (not to long ago either) Dallas and SA were neck and neck trading off who was bigger.......SA has since pulled ahead, but in the meantime Dallas is seeing some heavy infill, so they could be competing again.
Someone mentioned Dallas will be at 2 million in 10 years.......doubtful.......1.5-1.7 million is more realistic, with the city hitting 2 million probably between 2020-2025.
Dallas has plenty of land to annex in the Southeastern Dallas County are, but there is NOTHING there.....a city won't annex something that has no or lack of a tax base. Although things could change, I seriously doubt that area will see much development in the near future.
Dallas has a strong possibility to overtake all but San Antonio, but at one time (not to long ago either) Dallas and SA were neck and neck trading off who was bigger.......SA has since pulled ahead, but in the meantime Dallas is seeing some heavy infill, so they could be competing again.
Someone mentioned Dallas will be at 2 million in 10 years.......doubtful.......1.5-1.7 million is more realistic, with the city hitting 2 million probably between 2020-2025.
Dallas has plenty of land to annex in the Southeastern Dallas County are, but there is NOTHING there.....a city won't annex something that has no or lack of a tax base. Although things could change, I seriously doubt that area will see much development in the near future.
yeah, Dallas gains about 10K a year so even your 1.5M projection for ten years is still kinda high.
San Antonio however gains twice that. so while Dallas will be edging towards 1.4, SA will be long past 1.6M
As for Phoenix, , this past decade was slower than normal, but growth was still leaps and bounds ahead of Dallas. Even if growth slows down further for phoenix, in ten years it should be pushing 1.8m (at least)
I just don't get what sort of magic that the people saying Dallas will pass SA and Phoenix is expecting to happen.
yeah, Dallas gains about 10K a year so even your 1.5M projection for ten years is still kinda high.
San Antonio however gains twice that. so while Dallas will be edging towards 1.4, SA will be long past 1.6M
As for Phoenix, , this past decade was slower than normal, but growth was still leaps and bounds ahead of Dallas. Even if growth slows down further for phoenix, in ten years it should be pushing 1.8m (at least)
I just don't get what sort of magic that the people saying Dallas will pass SA and Phoenix is expecting to happen.
How is San Antonio growing so fast? Is it because of Hispanics? (I am not trying to be racist)
How is San Antonio growing so fast? Is it because of Hispanics? (I am not trying to be racist)
San Antonio is huge. There is little else in SA metro but SA.
When DFW gained 1,600,000 last decade do you know how much of that was in Dallas? 100k.
Now Greater SA didn't gain as much as DFW, (only about 400K), the difference is almost all of it went to the city and not the metro.
EDIT: SA also has the cheapest houses among all Texas big cities, it has lots and lots of land, and it has big millitary bases. It also has cheap utilities and is popular with retirees
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