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By yall arguments New Orleans is more urban by fabric then, Chicago, Detroit, DC San Fransico, Most of New York and etc too. umm no
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New Orleans is certainly closer to DC or SF than LA is. Detroit doesnt belong on that list as it is a car-driven sprawl. Chicago is better than NOLA inside the core but the rest of the metro is suburbs.
Also, as I have said before, a bigger city doesn't automatically have a better urban fabric. It's like all of you are entranced by the fact that more people live in an area and make that your end all verdict. That's ridiculous. Seriously, do places like Prague have a worse urban fabric than LA because it's "tiny" in comparison and is less dense??!?! Actually, and to prove that point even more, NOLA's urban area and Prague's city area/population are almost identical in population and density. However, Prague has a better urban fabric.
Something like this type of urban fabric design with more emphasis on people. This is what LA lacks over all.
Boston
New Orleans
Here's an example of attached housing on the right along with a narrow street.
Right, LA does lack that save for a few districts that are mostly retail. The argument is dependent on how the little of that counts against the very, very large mass of areas LA has that are less built on a pedestrian scale but are very vibrant and walkable just the same. I think you guys are basically talking past each other and it's all mostly a matter of preference. I do think in some of your previous posts that it seems like you might perceive LA as far more lacking than it actually is though. When was the last time you went to LA and tried walking and taking transit? I'll tell you that there have been some significant changes in recent years.
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On a metro level, can NO really be compared to Miami? C'mon, seriously? Compare Broward to Metarie or Morrero.
No, not on the metro level. I had stated that this is on the level of just judging by very urban neighborhoods that are very cohesive.
I meant that he admitted that places like SF have a better urban fabric even though other cities might have the same density/more people.
That is not what I meant at all I was speaking specifically about the statement about SF and LA (which are comparably dense). New Orleans does not equal SF. It's hilarious that you have the hubris to think anyone thinks that is true.
Just a note, most of those "some people" are the same ones in this thread.
New Orleans occupies a very unique slot - it is too large and structural dense to be a peer with Savannah or Charleston, but is not at the level of sustained or peak density to be a peer with a place like San Francisco or Boston.
Los Angeles also occupies a very unique slot - far too dense and transit-oriented to be a peer with Houston or Phoenix, but too disjointed structurally and with too many car-accommodated areas to be a peer with NYC or Chicago.
For both of these I'm just talking from an urban fabric point of view.
When two of the most unique US cities (and two vastly different cities) there is just no way to come to any sort of consensus.
That is not what I meant at all I was speaking specifically about the statement about SF and LA (which are comparably dense). New Orleans does not equal SF. It's hilarious that you have the hubris to think anyone thinks that is true.
I think on a certain scale (quaint, dense parts of town) New Orleans is actually pretty comparable to some extent. The same way that Quebec City is comparable though it's tiny. New Orleans also gets points for demolishing a relatively small amount of its historic areas (which are pretty big since New Orleans was formerly one of the US's largest cities/metros) for parking lots and highways compared to many other cities.
By yall arguments New Orleans is more urban by fabric then, Chicago, Detroit, DC San Fransico, Most of New York and etc too. umm no
DC, SF, and NY all have areas with really narrow streets and that much smaller human scale on par with NOLA. So do cities like Baltimore, Philly, and Boston from what I know. But they are also much larger and more urban than NOLA while also having a similar urban fabric in areas. Chicago I believe lacks any area that has that initimate, pedestrian feel like the French Quarter but it has continious urban fabric. LA does not have CONTINIOUS urban fabric, it's spread out and DISCONNECTED.
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But one thing that is a sharp difference LA has way more people living in actually Walkable areas
That's nice, it's just a shame that those areas are seperated by auto-centric development and that's a point you keep glossing over. It's walkable areas are fairly attractive for the most part but it's seperated by some butt ugly auto-oriented development with no vibrancy. The amount of ugly 2 story strip malls and gas stations you see at major intersections doesn't help with it's "urban fabric".
New Orleans occupies a very unique slot - it is too large and structural dense to be a peer with Savannah or Charleston, but is not at the level of sustained or peak density to be a peer with a place like San Francisco or Boston.
Los Angeles also occupies a very unique slot - far too dense and transit-oriented to be a peer with Houston or Phoenix, but too disjointed structurally and with too many car-accommodated areas to be a peer with NYC or Chicago.
For both of these I'm just talking from an urban fabric point of view.
When two of the most unique US cities (and two vastly different cities) there is just no way to come to any sort of consensus.
Very well said, I agree with this. This is probably why some people have trouble comparing these two.
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