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Manhattan is a city not a "downtown." Downtown refers to all the neighborhoods on the lower part of the island, uptown is all the upper parts of the island. A lot of new cities like to make up random terms like downtown, midtown, and uptown for new neighborhoods (see Houston, Dallas, Atlanta) but these names mean absolutely nothing in those cities.
You are totally wrong regarding Atlanta.
First, this isn't a "new" city by any stretch of the imagination. Second, the Midtown moniker isn't some dreamed up marketing ploy. Midtown has been around for decades, and is currently in the process of maturing into one of the better urban areas in the country. Try again.
First, this isn't a "new" city by any stretch of the imagination. Second, the Midtown moniker isn't some dreamed up marketing ploy. Midtown has been around for decades, and is currently in the process of maturing into one of the better urban areas in the country. Try again.
Perhaps, you could tell me how many decades and why it is actually called Midtown. Then, I might believe you.
Ah, yes. Your standard "talk down to ANYONE that dares to disagree with me" pablum.
Kid, I've seen more Downtowns around the world than you could ever imagine. Get out of the damn DMV and broaden your horizons. The textbooks aren't always the end-all, be-all you insular types like to pretend they are. It's a great big world - get out in it.
And yet, you didn't disagree with me either. You know very well having retail throughout downtown on as many buildings as possible is the goal for all downtowns across the country. You are so caught up in this whole mall thing you completely missed the whole point. Stop talking about the mall and look at the big picture. You need to look at downtown in a city as a whole. Stop thinking piecemeal.
And yet, you didn't disagree with me either. You know very well having retail throughout downtown on as many buildings as possible is the goal for all downtowns across the country. You are so caught up in this whole mall thing you completely missed the whole point. Stop talking about the mall and look at the big picture. You need to look at downtown in a city as a whole. Stop thinking piecemeal.
Hows this List I still think the DC area is underrepersented
1) DC
2) Arlington VA
3) Roslynn, VA
4) New York
5) Silver Springs, MD
6) Chicago
7) Tysons Corner, MD
8) San Francisco
9) Philly
10) Baltimore
Hows this List I still think the DC area is underrepersented
1) DC
2) Arlington VA
3) Roslynn, VA
4) New York
5) Silver Springs, MD
6) Chicago
7) Tysons Corner, MD
8) San Francisco
9) Philly
10) Baltimore
I don't know. I have never ranked cities on any thread since joining this site. I think it's useless. I only talk about development. Everything else is subjective and opinions are worthless in the grand scheme of things. If its not from a credible ranking firm with established methodology, it's irrelevant which pretty much represents the entire board including my opinion. That is why I never give my opinion on ranking of cities. I just talk about things that can be proven and researched.
In comparison to most cities in the East, where the average age of notable cities is 400 year, Atlanta is new. However, it was incorporated in 1837 (the same year as Chicago) and is definitely not a young city. The way the "new" moniker is thrown around, it's as if Atlanta just became a city in the 20th century. Do they not pass out history books anymore in school?
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It seems as if State Street shopping caters to the 9-5 crowd, the same way retail around Wall Street does. The few times I have been in Macy's on State it was dead on the weekends.
Also, River North / Mag Mile isn't "downtown".
"Downtown" = where the city comes together.....to most people in this country. River North and the Mag Mile is "downtown" Chicago to just about everyone I know. Not everyone is from Manhattan, which was my point in my post earlier, and what you seem to not grasp.
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Manhattan is a city not a "downtown." Downtown refers to all the neighborhoods on the lower part of the island, uptown is all the upper parts of the island. A lot of new cities like to make up random terms like downtown, midtown, and uptown for new neighborhoods (see Houston, Dallas, Atlanta) but these names mean absolutely nothing in those cities.
Also, New Orleans is another city that has different uses for the term. In NOLA, the Central Business District is in fact uptown (along with everything upriver from Canal Street), while the French Quarter and all the neighborhoods below it are downtown. For instance, if I'm heading "downtown" I would be going to the French Quarter or the Marigny or Bywater. As in NYC, heading downtown can mean an assortment of things.
That's just not how the word is used in this country, sorry. I know it's hard to grasp if you're from NYC or a city with an "Uptown" with skyscrapers, but you'll have to learn how to see things as others do. MOST cities in this country regard the CBD and/or places with high concentrations of offices/retail/museums, etc. in the central city as "downtown", regardless of whether it's literally "down" from another point of the city.
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"Downtown" = where the city comes together.....to most people in this country.
I think at least in any metro above 1 million people (this includes Chicago and New York) that is no longer true, and there are multiple nodes of activity. Sure there is a "center" to each metropolis, but gone are the days when that center was the end all be all definition of a city.
With that said your point does have merit but when it comes to Manhattan, however New Yorkers don't see it as Downtown. They see Wall Street/the Financial District as Downtown. Depending on who you talk to Chinatown, Little Italy and SoHo could be added to that too (plus whatever else I missed that is south of Houston Street). Midtown Manhattan would never ever be referred to as Downtown, nor would Uptown Manhattan which is almost entirely residential and always has been. In New York, "going Downtown" literally means going down to the end of the island.
The same also applies to people who live in the rest of the city (contrary to the above Manhattan isn't a city, it's a part of a whole that includes Queens, Brooklyn, Bronx, and Staten Island). No matter where you are in New York City, Downtown just applies to what is south of Houston Street. At least to natives anyway.
I think at least in any metro above 1 million people (this includes Chicago and New York) that is no longer true, and there are multiple nodes of activity. Sure there is a "center" to each metropolis, but gone are the days when that center was the end all be all definition of a city.
With that said your point does have merit but when it comes to Manhattan, however New Yorkers don't see it as Downtown. They see Wall Street/the Financial District as Downtown. Depending on who you talk to Chinatown, Little Italy and SoHo could be added to that too (plus whatever else I missed that is south of Houston Street). Midtown Manhattan would never ever be referred to as Downtown, nor would Uptown Manhattan which is almost entirely residential and always has been. In New York, "going Downtown" literally means going down to the end of the island.
The same also applies to people who live in the rest of the city (contrary to the above Manhattan isn't a city, it's a part of a whole that includes Queens, Brooklyn, Bronx, and Staten Island). No matter where you are in New York City, Downtown just applies to what is south of Houston Street. At least to natives anyway.
Metro Chicago area is very hub-and-spoke though, moreso than almost anywhere else I've been in the country. The "downtown" which runs from around Oak Street to Roosevelt and on over from the lake around 3/4-1 mile is certainly the hub of the metro area. There aren't many other nodes in the city that compare to downtown like Midtown or Bucktown might compare to downtown Atlanta. Employment, tourist attractions, rail lines, interstates - most everything leads towards downtown within the metro.
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