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Do you not understand what Average means and how that is calculated?
Dude understand i have nothing to gain from this topic. Both have their pro's and cons. FL has hurricanes while CA does not. Some people actually enjoy the cooler S.CA temps and i would be one of them except where swimming is concerned. My best friend lives in San Diego and lived in S.FL and has the view that he likes both. Some prefer that tropical feel of S.FL and others don't.
I know exactly how they are calculated, but they do not account for the fluctuations and localized conditions that will vary more in California than in Fla.
I dont care that the water isnt 80 in California I prefer 68-73, I dont like the Gulf beaches for that reason. I know that if I go to the Gulf; Fla, Ala, Tx its just going to be hot. The water is going to be warm. I also know that if I go to CA, there is far more variance in temperature. Thats all Im saying. The averages mean nothing. The last spot I lived in CA on the central coast had wild temperature variations in the same county.
This is why some of you shouldn't be going strictly off what NODC averages are for what it's usually like in SoCal. There are oceanic conditions like upwellings that occur in CA that aren't really found on the East Coast.
This is why some of you shouldn't be going strictly off what NODC averages are for what it's usually like in SoCal. There are oceanic conditions like upwellings that occur in CA that aren't really found on the East Coast.
Point is 70+ is still not as common and thus the NORM. Some of you are making it sound like 70+ water is a constant theme from LA to the Mexico border and that is simply not true.
As for upwelling. That is more common further up the east cost and or where the slope of the shore line is steeper. Thus see N.FL on up the coast. Some spots further south sees it but nothing exceptional same with the GOM side of FL. Usually see the biggest fluctuations when a tropical system is passing over or close by.
Point is 70+ is still not as common and thus the NORM. Some of you are making it sound like 70+ water is a constant theme from LA to the Mexico border and that is simply not true.
As for upwelling. That is more common further up the east cost and or where the slope of the shore line is steeper. Thus see N.FL on up the coast. Some spots further south sees it but nothing exceptional same with the GOM side of FL. Usually see the biggest fluctuations when a tropical system is passing over or close by.
And my point is that's its not unsual or outside of the NORM to see 70+ sst in Southern Ca throughout summer like some are making it sound. 70+ is common nearly every summer.
Upwelling is more common on the west coasts of continents, so I don't think the east coast would experience it to the extent CA does at all. Just look at a worldwide SST map and that fact is pretty well illustrated.
And my point is that's its not unsual or outside of the NORM to see 70+ sst in Southern Ca throughout summer like some are making it sound. 70+ is common nearly every summer.
Upwelling is more common on the west coasts of continents, so I don't think the east coast would experience it to the extent CA does at all.
The averages they keep discussing dont mean as much in California in water or air temps because of the wide variance on each. The west coast is steep and deep, has cooler water because of the Coriolis effect the ocean rotates from the north to the south. That really is the engine that causes the weather to be what it is. Everyday that ocean temp can and does rise. The air temp rises as well, but also fluctuates dramatically in short distances.
And my point is that's its not unsual or outside of the NORM to see 70+ sst in Southern Ca throughout summer like some are making it sound. 70+ is common nearly every summer.
Upwelling is more common on the west coasts of continents, so I don't think the east coast would experience it to the extent CA does at all. Just look at a worldwide SST map and that fact is pretty well illustrated.
Keep a eye on the Mid Atlantic coast between NJ and VA. Can often see water temps crash from near 80 to the mid 60s and vice versa. Have seen it happen many times. Depends alot on wind direction.
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The averages they keep discussing dont mean as much in California in water or air temps because of the wide variance on each. The west coast is steep and deep, has cooler water because of the Coriolis effect the ocean rotates from the north to the south. That really is the engine that causes the weather to be what it is. Everyday that ocean temp can and does rise. The air temp rises as well, but also fluctuates dramatically in short distances.
Still 70+ is not as common outside of San Diego. Why do you all keep ignoring that fact? Nobody didn't say the water temps didn't fluctuate? The debate is on 70+ water temps on S.CA from LA to the Mexico border.
Again the water temps normally rise there when the flow is off shore which tends to push the clouds and fog out to sea which allows the beaches and water at the beaches to rise a bit.
It's not a give up at all. It's fact. You guys in California don't like to hear it because for once CA is losing at something, but sorry. Look at the poll. It's losing. And what I said is why. I don't like to get snippy, but at this point this has gone on for too long.
There ARE average temperatures for everywhere, water and air. There IS a normal daily temperature (or one in the ballpark of - it doesn't have to be exactly 75 every day to be normal, it just has to not be 100) then there are extremes, same goes for water.
The poll says it all, really. And I'm giving up? No, more like walking away with at least 36 people agreeing with me with 12 disagreeing with me. That's giving up?
In all seriousness, this was a genuinely good discussion, though. I enjoyed talking with you guys.
This poll says what it says, but others say different.....
To be fair, while scanning past polls, So Fla generally wins best beaches but not always. So Cal always wins best climate and lifestyle.
These beach polls have been done over and over and Florida almost always wins by a landslide when talking just about better beaches. Then CA natives try and argue otherwise or change subject away from just beaches to include other parameters. It's like they freak out if CA doesn't win in all things. I prefer and currently live in CA, especially right now economically speaking for me, but visiting home after living in CA I realize just in terms of beaches how much better they are Fl in terms of enjoying the actual beach and the water. Ca has a more dramatic coastline and while a nice feature I don't go to the beach to just sit and look at cliffs, I go to actually enjoy the sand and water which are much better overall in Fl than CA.
the vast majority of people are going to be out and about in temps closer to the high than the low. Use both if you want.
When you watch the weather forecast how do they show you the temperatures? With the daily mean or with Highs and Lows?
What are you even saying? Again do you understand how average works? Who cares what they daily average gets? It gets warmer at point of the day and it gets colder at another. But the around most of the day it's going to fell like it's 75. People are going to be up and about whenever they find most convenient.
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