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-Few people are from the region. It has doubled in size since 1970. Thus, there isn't really a local culture.
-To the extent it does exist, it's concentrated in the African American community, and most know little about it.
Atlanta suffers the same exact thing. People love to say it lacks culture, character, and soul because it does not have a widespread White America culture. A lot of it's culture and history is concentrated in the black community. Most of the cool neighborhoods nowdays were historically black like Sweet Auburn, Old Fourth Ward, East Atlanta Village, Grant Park, etc, etc.
Atlanta suffers the same exact thing. People love to say it lacks culture, character, and soul because it does not have a widespread White America culture. A lot of it's culture and history is concentrated in the black community. Most of the cool neighborhoods nowdays were historically black like Sweet Auburn, Old Fourth Ward, East Atlanta Village, Grant Park, etc, etc.
Atlanta still has more of an identity. Gone with the Wind, peach cobbler, sweet tea, etc. It doesn't really matter whether the stereotypes have much truth to them or not. They are least something that may come to mind when someone hears "Atlanta." With DC, there's not really anything that comes to mind beyond politics and monuments.
Atlanta still has more of an identity. Gone with the Wind, peach cobbler, sweet tea, etc. It doesn't really matter whether the stereotypes have much truth to them or not. They are least something that may come to mind when someone hears "Atlanta." With DC, there's not really anything that comes to mind beyond politics and monuments.
No you're wrong. Sweet Tea isn't an Atlanta "identity", it's an identity all over the south nor did sweet tea originate in Atlanta. Neither did peach cobbler, it's not an Atlanta "identity" either.
Yeah, I agree with Delusions. Saying MLK Birth place, a center for the civil rights movement,huge black middle class and Auburn would be better as an identity for Atlanta.
No you're wrong. Sweet Tea isn't an Atlanta "identity", it's an identity all over the south nor did sweet tea originate in Atlanta. Neither did peach cobbler, it's not an Atlanta "identity" either.
I didn't say it was just an Atlanta thing. It was just an example of something someone might say since Atlanta has been known as the "Capital of the South." Gone with the Wind was another example.
When it comes to DC, nobody's going to say anything not related to politics or monuments. The average American knows nothing about a half smoke, mumbo sauce, or Go-Go. There are a lot of people in the DC area who don't even know about those things.
Yeah, I agree with Delusions. Saying MLK Birth place, a center for the civil rights movement,huge black middle class and Auburn would be better as an identity for Atlanta.
Of course, those things would be better. I was mentioning things NOT related to the African American community. For Atlanta, there is still some idea of this White Southerner a la Ashley Wilkes image that comes to mind for many non-Southerners, even if that image only applies to a small number of people (or really, nobody).
A good example of this was during the Closing Ceremony of the Olympics back in 1996 with the kids saying, "Y'all come back now." While one could say that that's a regional rather than local identity, it's a identity nonetheless, and DC has neither a regional nor local identity. Or at least it doesn't have one that dwells to any extent in the popular imagination.
No you're wrong. Sweet Tea isn't an Atlanta "identity", it's an identity all over the south nor did sweet tea originate in Atlanta. Neither did peach cobbler, it's not an Atlanta "identity" either.
Atlanta in a sense embodies and represents the whole south. No other region of the country has such an identifying "capital" city. Atlanta and Charleston are incredibly different, to be sure, but when people think of southern things in general, such as sweet tea and peach cobbler, Atlanta is what comes to mind, not Charleston, not Nashville, not Jacksonville, not Louisville or Richmond or New Orleans (which has its own culture, despite being "southern").
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Atlanta still has more of an identity. Gone with the Wind, peach cobbler, sweet tea, etc. It doesn't really matter whether the stereotypes have much truth to them or not. They are least something that may come to mind when someone hears "Atlanta." With DC, there's not really anything that comes to mind beyond politics and monuments.
This.
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While I will first state that I believe SF is a bit more iconic in a lot of ways. The civil rights marches had such a profound impact on our country that I would go as far as to say that MLK's "I have a dream speech" is more iconic and culturally impactful than any single event the took place in SF over the course of time. However from the gold rush, to the haight ashbury days, to Danny Tanner and the full house crew, SF has had a lot of cultural impact on the rest of the country.
Having fortune 500 companies and corporations doesn't make a city iconic or culturally defining.
I agree, but I was carefully trying to point out that SF has an overall "brand" that extends to its companies. And many of its companies are major names that have been part of American life for a century or more.
Just plucking from my list, at least from the "company" portion, Kimpton Hotels and Virgin America. These are examples of companies that do things very "differently" within their respective industries and have been successful as a result. SF is a place that people think of when they think of places and people from places that do things "differently".
Just looking at 3 of the major banks from the city: Wells Fargo, Bank of America, and Schwab (if we can call it a bank for these purposes) - these are the banks that financed westward expansion, middle class American growth, and Schwab represents the stereotypical fat cat that also has been a big part of SF life/culture since the Gold Rush days.
Levi's and North Face are not necessarily F500 and are corporate, however, they also really embody the city, and have become very "American" brands. Anyway, on and on.
Yeah, I agree with Delusions. Saying MLK Birth place, a center for the civil rights movement,huge black middle class and Auburn would be better as an identity for Atlanta.
Agreed. And going back to my earlier point, sure MLK made a speech in DC. It could have been [insert city here that happens to be the capital of the US]. Without being the capital of either the US or CA, SF has birthed political and social movements.
Apparel Gap
North Face
Marmot
Mountain Hardwear O'Neill
Jansport
Goorin Bros hats (shared with Pittsburgh)...again SF has a certain old world style about it which is why Goorin Bros is still relevant and expanding today! SF helps define fashion trends, and it does so under the radar.
There are plenty more, but these are the quintessential SF brands that reflect the culture/style of the city and area.
How does O'Neill reflect the culture/style of SF?
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Mimosas!!
Not sure why you associate Sf with Mimosa's, they weren't invented there.
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^^^Most of my list (90+%) is SF city itself. But it's one thing to try to disqualify it because one small thing on the list might be currently headquartered in Emeryville just across the Bay Bridge, and then say well we but the "Mid-Atlantic Region" has also contributed...lol Richmond, Philly, and Baltimore could be counted in with Mid-Atlantic!
Also, for such a black culture, what HAS come out of DC? I guess Duke Ellington and Marvin Gaye. Seems Atlanta, Detroit, Chicago, LA, NYC, and other cities kick DC's black contributions behind...
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Lmao! You've got to be kidding me right. My last post used nothing from Philadelphia and Richmond areas and your post before that did include contributions from beyond the 46 miles of SF into this argument. I could add all kinds culturally impactful things that have originated from the MD/DC/VA area I only chose a few to mention. DC's black cultural influence are LIGHT YEARS ahead of anything SF has done for the African American community what are you talking about??
BET founder Robert Johnson is from Washington DC company is still headquartered there. He went on to become the first black owner of an NBA franchise (Charlotte Bobcats) before he sold to Michael Jordan.
U street was nicknamed "black broadway" in the 60's before the riots and before 125th st In Harlem surpassed it.
DC has its own GENRE of music that was created here within the cities boundaries not a variation of hip-hop like down south music or chopped and screwed hip hop songs. Go-Go music is an entire separate genre of music unique to DC. Where in the black community in SF will you find an entire new genre of music?
If you want me to just run off a long list of names of Black entertainers/athletes hailing from DC feel free but SF will obviously not compare: Dave Chappelle, Martin Lawrence, Taraji P. Henson, Tommy Davidson, Wanda Sykes, Kevin Durant, Johnny Gill, Dominique Dawes, Regina Hall etc etc etc I could go on and on. But to me this gets off topic and I thought we were getting into what city is more "iconic." Just because your city has a factory for GAP jeans doesn't make it iconic.
DC is a cultural capitol in its own right as it merges in the two major regions of the Eastern US, the North and the South. No other major city in the US really sits on the direct cusp of two major regions like that to be that distinct. The major difference in terms of "cultural influence" not even being iconic here is that SF's cultural impact historically has been more internationally based. DC's "cultural" American impact has been primarily based around the AA community. I don't get why your trying to step around this with your posts.
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