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Old 06-25-2015, 05:25 PM
 
Location: Mishawaka, Indiana
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Baltimore's rate was slightly higher than Detroit's in the late 2000s, then Detroit surged.

Economically, Baltimore is now a slower growing MSA than Detroit, with 1.5% job growth compared to 2.8% in Detroit. Detroit's also got a legitimate international airport and right-to-work labor laws. I'd rather invest in Detroit than in Baltimore.
I don't mean to turn this to a political debate, but right to work labor laws in a city that the unions thrived in is a concerning factor. Though perhaps Detroit will never fully return as an industrial and manufacturing powerhouse, its road to future glory may lie elsewhere. This is good news for Detroit.

Interesting facts, didn't know Detroit was also outpacing Baltimore in growth.
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Old 06-25-2015, 05:30 PM
 
Location: Katy,Texas
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Keywords Detroit Metro, Baltimore metro is not on the same scale as Detroit metro so although the principal city has negative connotations about it, it is still a thriving metro and has always been.
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Old 06-25-2015, 05:35 PM
 
Location: Mishawaka, Indiana
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Keywords Detroit Metro, Baltimore metro is not on the same scale as Detroit metro so although the principal city has negative connotations about it, it is still a thriving metro and has always been.
I understand he meant MSA. Baltimore's city proper is actually gaining residents per the most recent census estimates where Detroit continues to shed thousands.
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Old 06-25-2015, 05:51 PM
 
Location: Katy,Texas
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Sorry, I didn't want this thread to turn into a bash fest because you didn't put MSA or Metro after Bmore or Detroit.
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Old 06-25-2015, 09:01 PM
 
Location: Michigan
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I don't mean to turn this to a political debate, but right to work labor laws in a city that the unions thrived in is a concerning factor. Though perhaps Detroit will never fully return as an industrial and manufacturing powerhouse, its road to future glory may lie elsewhere. This is good news for Detroit.

Interesting facts, didn't know Detroit was also outpacing Baltimore in growth.
RTW literally hasn't changed anything. Unions still exist and people are still joining them. The Big 3 still prioritize hiring union workers over non-union and union members still get paid like $10 more per hour than non-union. And of course there's still plenty of companies that don't have unionized workers. Honestly, I don't what the big deal about RTW is.

Not that unions have anything really to do with Detroit's crime or poverty. It's all about education. You can't get hired into a factory unless you're skilled trade or IT regardless of union or non-union membership.
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Old 06-25-2015, 09:59 PM
 
Location: Land of the Free
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RTW literally hasn't changed anything.
Michigan union membership falls sharply in '14

Significant reduction in union membership last year in Michigan, and it's now #2 in the Midwest in job growth after Indiana, which also went right-to-work.

Cities need investment and jobs to reduce crime, and Detroit is getting much more of that now.
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Old 06-26-2015, 05:26 PM
 
Location: Michigan
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Michigan union membership falls sharply in '14

Significant reduction in union membership last year in Michigan, and it's now #2 in the Midwest in job growth after Indiana, which also went right-to-work.

Cities need investment and jobs to reduce crime, and Detroit is getting much more of that now.

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"Right-to-work still has not kicked in for many Michigan workers, most notably auto workers," he said. "As the contracts with the Big Three expire later this fall, tens of thousands of UAW autoworkers will be eligible for right-to-work. This includes many second-tier workers who are being paid far less than their co-workers because of UAW negotiated contracts. Past deals favoring older workers at the expense of new ones may come back to haunt the UAW when younger workers are able to choose whether or not to support a union that short-changed them."

Dale Belman, a Michigan State University professor of labor and industrial relations, cautioned that data on state fluctuations is based on a sampling of 60,000 U.S. households. He said right to work may be the driving factor behind the decline, but other reasons could account for much of the change, including a decline in public employment.
The auto industry is booming despite the UAW not having been affected by RTW yet. Michigan's job growth started well-before RTW was even signed into law. Municipal governments all over Michigan, typically made up of unionized workers, have been shrinking which is what is being reflected in the decline. But UAW membership has been increasing even well before RTW went into effect.

UAW membership growth reflects auto industry recovery, organizing wins
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Old 06-26-2015, 06:18 PM
 
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Sooooo what are the updated counts on some cities?
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Old 06-26-2015, 06:34 PM
 
Location: Baltimore
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As of today Baltimores at 140
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Old 06-26-2015, 06:37 PM
 
Location: Nashville TN
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Heroin and pain pill are running rampant in Baltimore, all those protesters took all the pain pills from the CVS's during the riot. I will not be shocked if Baltimore has the highest crime rate for murder in the country this year, way worse than New Orleans, Chicago and Detroit per capita at this point.
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