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Old 11-10-2015, 08:51 AM
 
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sorry,but I find that hard to believe. watch the news on any given night in Atlanta, and there are several murders, shootings, rapes and robberies on a daily basis. plus,the city limits are arbitrarily drawn and so a lot of the murders occur in parts of Atlanta that may be considered unincorporated or nearby counties. it's more accurate to post the number of murders for the entire metro area. do you have those numbers? i'd bet it's more than Chicago and Detroit. Atlanta has a serious crime problem, easily on the level of those cities.
As far as metro murder rates, they are listed below. I pulled Gary out of Chicago for comparison, just because it was such an isolated pocket of violence that I didn't see in either Atlanta or Detroit. Gary has 28% of all suburban murders in suburban Chicago and is only 1% of the suburban population. It's so isolated in Northwest Indiana surrounded by the lake and so much heavy industry. People in the main Chicago suburbs forget just how horribly VIOLENT it really is. It's worse than almost any neighborhoo in Chicago pound per pound.

City: City Population - City Murders - Murder Rate

Atlanta:
City of Atlanta: 451,020 - 84 - 18.6/100,000
Suburban Atlanta: 5,060,192 - 239 - 4.9/100,000

Chicago:
City of Chicago: 2,720,554 - 414 - 15.2/100,000
Suburban Chicago: 6,738,788 - 136 - 2.0/100,000
Gary, Indiana: 78,819 - 54 - 68.5/100,000

Detroit:
City of Detroit: 699,889 - 316 - 45.2/100,000
Suburban Detroit: 3,596,739 - 95 - 2.6/100,000

I wasn't trying to "cheat" for Chicago or anything. If there is an overwhelming area of suburban Atlanta or Detroit with over 25% of murders for less than 1% or so of the population let me know.
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Old 11-10-2015, 10:29 AM
 
Location: Baltimore
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Baltimore at 295 as of today.
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Old 11-10-2015, 12:46 PM
 
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Baltimore at 295 as of today.
I was just reading that. They're just a few murders away from reaching their all-time high murder rate for the city. Higher than the rough times of the 70's and 90's. Crazy.
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Old 11-10-2015, 09:45 PM
 
Location: North Raleigh x North Sacramento
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I was just reading that. They're just a few murders away from reaching their all-time high murder rate for the city. Higher than the rough times of the 70's and 90's. Crazy.
What's happened to Baltimore is noteworthy because it stands out among large cities who haven't decreased in crime the way the vast majority of this nation has. Sharper police efforts and sentencing since the 90s have led to drastic crime reduction in some of the historically worst cities...

Otherwise, Baltimore's murder rate wouldn't cause second thought were this another era. During the "war years" (war on drugs, war on gangs, etc), Baltimore was substantially less violent death than its two neighbors to its south, Washington and Richmond. As it is, Baltimore's record murder rate of 49.65 was set in 1993, when the city had 353 murders. That same year, Richmond had a murder rate of 55.22 and Washington had a murder rate of 78.55. In fact, while Baltimore has never had a murder rate of 50 per 100,000, Richmond eclipsed that mark 9 straight years (89-97), and DC eclipsed that mark 10 straight years (88-97)....

Baltimore is on pace for a 2015 year-end murder rate of ~55.22, which would be a record for the city. Not only have DC and Richmond topped that figure many times, the record homicide rates for the City of Washington and City of Richmond completely blow Baltimore's current 1993 record and likely new 2015 record rates out of the water: DC had a record rate of 80.6 in 1991; Richmond had s peak rate of 80.5 in 1994....DC had a murder rate higher than Baltimore in every year of the 80s/90s except 1985 and 1986; Richmond had a higher murder rate than Baltimore every year from 1982-1998, and more recently, from 2003-2005....

Baltimore is a city plagued by corruption, incompetence, and habitually poor leadership. How else can you explain that cities that were FAR WORSE, historically (of which DC and Rich are only two), have dramatically reversed their violent histories, while Baltimore continues to have similar murder rates since the 90s?

Richmond and The Capital are historically two of the most violent cities in the nation's history, where carnage was once of such epic proportion that 2015 Baltimore would be deemed a "good year" in those cities not even fully two decades ago. I don't know how to fix Baltimore, but it's a shame when one of America's historically premier cities---which comparably wasn't 'that' bad during the war years in America's streets, compared to other cities--is mired in such a cycle of instability. There is no way Richmond and DC have been able to revamp their images, and Baltimore hasn't. That city's government needs to be cleaned top to bottom...
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Old 11-11-2015, 12:11 AM
 
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What's happened to Baltimore is noteworthy because it stands out among large cities who haven't decreased in crime the way the vast majority of this nation has. Sharper police efforts and sentencing since the 90s have led to drastic crime reduction in some of the historically worst cities...

Otherwise, Baltimore's murder rate wouldn't cause second thought were this another era. During the "war years" (war on drugs, war on gangs, etc), Baltimore was substantially less violent death than its two neighbors to its south, Washington and Richmond. As it is, Baltimore's record murder rate of 49.65 was set in 1993, when the city had 353 murders. That same year, Richmond had a murder rate of 55.22 and Washington had a murder rate of 78.55. In fact, while Baltimore has never had a murder rate of 50 per 100,000, Richmond eclipsed that mark 9 straight years (89-97), and DC eclipsed that mark 10 straight years (88-97)....

Baltimore is on pace for a 2015 year-end murder rate of ~55.22, which would be a record for the city. Not only have DC and Richmond topped that figure many times, the record homicide rates for the City of Washington and City of Richmond completely blow Baltimore's current 1993 record and likely new 2015 record rates out of the water: DC had a record rate of 80.6 in 1991; Richmond had s peak rate of 80.5 in 1994....DC had a murder rate higher than Baltimore in every year of the 80s/90s except 1985 and 1986; Richmond had a higher murder rate than Baltimore every year from 1982-1998, and more recently, from 2003-2005....

Baltimore is a city plagued by corruption, incompetence, and habitually poor leadership. How else can you explain that cities that were FAR WORSE, historically (of which DC and Rich are only two), have dramatically reversed their violent histories, while Baltimore continues to have similar murder rates since the 90s?

Richmond and The Capital are historically two of the most violent cities in the nation's history, where carnage was once of such epic proportion that 2015 Baltimore would be deemed a "good year" in those cities not even fully two decades ago. I don't know how to fix Baltimore, but it's a shame when one of America's historically premier cities---which comparably wasn't 'that' bad during the war years in America's streets, compared to other cities--is mired in such a cycle of instability. There is no way Richmond and DC have been able to revamp their images, and Baltimore hasn't. That city's government needs to be cleaned top to bottom...


I have been saying this for years, although I thought Baltimore did reach 53 per 100k but Im not stats expert. I sarcastically route for Baltimore for being #1 in murders because they've tried so long but never been #1. If it weren't for St. Louis it could've happened this year. Also it kills me when some of the long time Baltimore residents from the Cal Ripken days say "I wish things were like back in the day". But back in the day going back almost 50 years has the murder rate been damn near the same as today. If you look at Baltimore's murder rate on a line graph, it would almost be straight line with very little variation.
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Old 11-11-2015, 10:01 AM
 
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Baltimore Rate

1985 27.6
1986 30.6
1987 29.5
1988 30.6
1989 34.3
1990 41.4
1991 40.6
1992 44.3
1993 48.2
1994 43.4
1995 45.2
1996 46.1
1997 43.4
1998 47.3
1999 exempt - Due to changes in reporting practices, annexations, and/or incomplete data
2000 40.1
2001 38.7
2002 37.7
2003 41.9
2004 43.5
2005 42.0
2006 43.3
2007 45.2
2008 36.9
2009 37.3
2010 35.9
2011 31.4
2012 34.9
2013 37.4
2014 33.8

Searchable data begins at 1985.
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Old 11-11-2015, 10:02 AM
 
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Baltimore year end total

1970 231
1971 323
1972 330
1973 280
1974 293
1975 259
1976 200
1977 171
1978 197
1979 245
1980 216
1981 228
1982 227
1983 201
1984 215
1985 213
1986 240
1987 226
1988 234
1989 262
1990 305
1991 304
1992 335
1993 353
1994 321
1995 325
1996 331
1997 312
1998 313
1999 305 (Officially the city was exempt and did not report any data, for all offenses, this year)
2000 261
2001 256
2002 253
2003 270
2004 276
2005 269
2006 276
2007 282
2008 234
2009 238
2010 223
2011 197
2012 218
2013 233
2014 211

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Old 11-11-2015, 10:17 AM
 
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What's happened to Baltimore is noteworthy because it stands out among large cities who haven't decreased in crime the way the vast majority of this nation has. Sharper police efforts and sentencing since the 90s have led to drastic crime reduction in some of the historically worst cities...

Otherwise, Baltimore's murder rate wouldn't cause second thought were this another era. During the "war years" (war on drugs, war on gangs, etc), Baltimore was substantially less violent death than its two neighbors to its south, Washington and Richmond. As it is, Baltimore's record murder rate of 49.65 was set in 1993, when the city had 353 murders. That same year, Richmond had a murder rate of 55.22 and Washington had a murder rate of 78.55. In fact, while Baltimore has never had a murder rate of 50 per 100,000, Richmond eclipsed that mark 9 straight years (89-97), and DC eclipsed that mark 10 straight years (88-97)....

Baltimore is on pace for a 2015 year-end murder rate of ~55.22, which would be a record for the city. Not only have DC and Richmond topped that figure many times, the record homicide rates for the City of Washington and City of Richmond completely blow Baltimore's current 1993 record and likely new 2015 record rates out of the water: DC had a record rate of 80.6 in 1991; Richmond had s peak rate of 80.5 in 1994....DC had a murder rate higher than Baltimore in every year of the 80s/90s except 1985 and 1986; Richmond had a higher murder rate than Baltimore every year from 1982-1998, and more recently, from 2003-2005....

Baltimore is a city plagued by corruption, incompetence, and habitually poor leadership. How else can you explain that cities that were FAR WORSE, historically (of which DC and Rich are only two), have dramatically reversed their violent histories, while Baltimore continues to have similar murder rates since the 90s?

Richmond and The Capital are historically two of the most violent cities in the nation's history, where carnage was once of such epic proportion that 2015 Baltimore would be deemed a "good year" in those cities not even fully two decades ago. I don't know how to fix Baltimore, but it's a shame when one of America's historically premier cities---which comparably wasn't 'that' bad during the war years in America's streets, compared to other cities--is mired in such a cycle of instability. There is no way Richmond and DC have been able to revamp their images, and Baltimore hasn't. That city's government needs to be cleaned top to bottom...


DC hasn't fared well at all this year either.

http://mpdc.dc.gov/page/district-crime-data-glance

It's at 140 murders as of November 10th, up 55.6% from last year. That entire region seems to be rather unstable right now within it's major cities.
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Old 11-12-2015, 11:18 AM
 
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^ well again though, it's not really unstable, it's an uptick in the number of murders. Murders are alway such a small number given the huge population base - although of course they're extremely traumatic to the community!

DC's numbers are up, but it's the difference between 0.013% of the population being murdered and 0.020% of the population murdered.
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Old 11-12-2015, 11:32 AM
 
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^ well again though, it's not really unstable, it's an uptick in the number of murders. Murders are alway such a small number given the huge population base - although of course they're extremely traumatic to the community!

DC's numbers are up, but it's the difference between 0.013% of the population being murdered and 0.020% of the population murdered.
You can say that about any country, even the most violent. Crime is still crime.
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