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Tell me which region in the deep south you find large South American, Puerto Rican, and Jewish populations, a tropical environment offering an abundance of water activities, restaurants that serve Cuban coffee and key lime pie, and Spanish stucco architecture. Then I'll accept that Florida doesn't have it's own culture but rather just an extension of southern culture.
Florida has its own culture within the geographical South, just like other parts of the South--Texas, south Louisiana, the Lowcountry, etc.
But I don't get your point about golf being something "different" from Southern culture. Golf is huge in coastal SC and NC (and even a bit inland in NC, such as the Pinehurst/Southern Pines area) and has been for a while now, even before the current influx of transplants. And of course, there's Augusta National.
In a way it's of the contemporary South...the contemporary urban South specifically. I say that because downtown DC in particular feels pretty new (even the old stuff); to add fuel to the fire, in some ways downtown DC feels like a shorter, denser version of uptown Charlotte and feels less northern than Fairlie-Poplar in downtown Atlanta.
I'll sit back and wait to get pelted by tomatoes LOL.
Not sure if I've been to Fairlie-Poplar, but I generally agree with this. There are parallels to be made with DC and other large southern cities, more than enough, so I'll wait on the tomato pelting with you haha...
Not sure if I've been to Fairlie-Poplar, but I generally agree with this. There are parallels to be made with DC and other large southern cities, more than enough, so I'll wait on the tomato pelting with you haha...
Lol, there shouldn't be any tomato pelting =) DC isn't 100% Northern in identity so it's safe to say it can feel Southern as well.
To add to this.... In a way, isn't this just on a macro scale of gentrification of neighborhoods? When an influx of said group comes into an area and once you hit a certain threshold/mass of enough people, you start to reshape and change the areas identity. This results in the identities and characteristics of the group that was pusheD out being marginalized and/or only existing in small pockets.
I am curious to know what you guys think about the above though.
We're on the same page. I don't think of DC being a "northern" as Philly or Boston. Also, I think NYC is seen as a separate identity most of the time and gets lumped into "NorthEast" as needed. Usually people speak of NYC in separates.
Also, most of the residents that move into DC are MD and VA but the remainder are made up mostly from Northeastern states along with CA, TX, WA and FL.
According to your link, the places Wasingtonians most come from:
1. Maryland
2. Virginia
3. New York
4. California
5. Florida
6. Massachusetts
7. Pennsylvania
8. North Carolina
9. Texas
10. Illinois
Where do you see "mostly" Northeastern states? The Top 10 in-migration are 5 southern states, 3 Northeastern, 1 Western and 1 Midwest. The Top 10 by out-migration:
1. Maryland
2. Virginia
3. New York
4. California
5. Florida
6. North Carolina
7. Texas
8. Pennsylvania
9. Massachusetts
10. Illinois
Same exact Top 10 with different order on the back half. DC being "mostly" made up of northerners is largely a myth...
Florida has its own culture within the geographical South, just like other parts of the South--Texas, south Louisiana, the Lowcountry, etc.
But I don't get your point about golf being something "different" from Southern culture. Golf is huge in coastal SC and NC (and even a bit inland in NC, such as the Pinehurst/Southern Pines area) and has been for a while now, even before the current influx of transplants. And of course, there's Augusta National.
You're right in that golf is not unique to FL culture as it's popular in the Carolinas too. However, FL is consistently ranked the #1 state for golf courses and tournaments, home of the World Golf Hall of Fame, and many PGA tour pros reside in FL due to it's high quality amenities, making it more ingrained in the local culture in my opinion.
One of the biggest components that separates Florida from southern culture is mannerism. Southern culture is known for it's hospitality, friendliness and small talk to strangers. Many Floridians, while usually polite and somewhat friendly, do not typically display that kind of openness to visitors. Of course this isn't absolute and there are some places you do find this in FL. However, it is much less the norm here. When I visited Nashville, I clearly saw this trait, something you don't really find as a visitor when you're in Orlando or Tampa.
Not sure if I've been to Fairlie-Poplar, but I generally agree with this. There are parallels to be made with DC and other large southern cities, more than enough, so I'll wait on the tomato pelting with you haha...
Here are some streetviews of Fairlie-Poplar, which is Atlanta's original downtown--largely shaped by Northern industrialists:
According to your link, the places Wasingtonians most come from:
1. Maryland
2. Virginia
3. New York
4. California
5. Florida
6. Massachusetts
7. Pennsylvania
8. North Carolina
9. Texas
10. Illinois
Where do you see "mostly" Northeastern states? The Top 10 in-migration are 5 southern states, 3 Northeastern, 1 Western and 1 Midwest. The Top 10 by out-migration:
1. Maryland
2. Virginia
3. New York
4. California
5. Florida
6. North Carolina
7. Texas
8. Pennsylvania
9. Massachusetts
10. Illinois
Same exact Top 10 with different order on the back half. DC being "mostly" made up of northerners is largely a myth...
I think we're seeing dividing states differently and I was counting Illinois as "north". But if the numbers are more even then I had thought then culturally the Northerners seem to be having a stronger influence.
You're right in that golf is not unique to FL culture as it's popular in the Carolinas too. However, FL is consistently ranked the #1 state for golf courses and tournaments, home of the World Golf Hall of Fame, and many PGA tour pros reside in FL due to it's high quality amenities, making it more ingrained in the local culture in my opinion.
I get that, but I guess I don't see golf as something totally different from Southern culture. Now had you said hockey, I could see that.
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One of the biggest components that separates Florida from southern culture is mannerism. Southern culture is known for it's hospitality, friendliness and small talk to strangers. Many Floridians, while usually polite and somewhat friendly, do not typically display that kind of openness to visitors. Of course this isn't absolute and there are some places you do find this in FL. However, it is much less the norm here. When I visited Nashville, I clearly saw this trait, something you don't really find as a visitor when you're in Orlando or Tampa.
I've found that as a visitor to Jacksonville on more than one occasion.
I can agree with that, except it also extends to new construction in the suburbs.
Fairlie-Poplar looks like parts of inner Arlington.
Not sure what you mean by the macro scale of gentrification to cities extending to new construction though?
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