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If you can't see what's wrong with posting misleading local stats in a thread that is dedicated to the official census numbers then I don't know what to tell you? At least you're back to using correct numbers for the Tampa Bay area in your post above about Urban Area population.
What?
Yeah I'm pretty sure I was using the official definition for Tampa here:
I even made my intention clear STRAIGHT from the start to avoid the nonsensical confrontations like the one right now (if you read that then you wouldn't be wasting your time with this):
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Originally Posted by Red John
I'm using the FL State Departments and Regional Planning Commissions definition for the Tampa Bay Area. I'm not suggesting that this definition is right or that it should be used as a point of comparison between cities. I'm just doing it to see the trends of that region, as a whole, and how much it has gained over the decades and at what pace since 1970. Just making it a point to clarify that straight from the start.
So basically there have been 6 times in this thread where I've used the census definition for Tampa. I didn't use it one time, gave an explanation for why I didn't (which was a fair one) and someone still goes bat crazy about it anyway.
I'm not entertaining this anymore. You literally wasted several people's time today that had explain this to you when you could have just read from the start and not made such a big deal over something that wasn't meant to be a big deal in the first place.
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I don't see any mention or reasoning here about using a non designated area for Tampa whild comparing it against census approved areas/populations..
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Originally Posted by Red John
North America [United States (2015)-Canada (2015)-Mexico (2015)]: 01. New York (CSA): 23,723,696
02. Greater Mexico City: 20,892,724
03. Los Angeles (CSA): 18,679,763
04. Chicago (CSA): 9,923,358
05. Washington DC-Baltimore (CSA): 9,625,360
06. Toronto's Greater Golden Horseshoe: 8,832,219
07. San Francisco Bay Area (CSA): 8,713,914
08. Boston (CSA): 8,152,573
09. Dallas/Fort Worth Metroplex (CSA): 7,504,362
10. Philadelphia (CSA): 7,183,479
11. Houston (CSA): 6,855,069
12. Miami/Fort Lauderdale (CSA): 6,654,565
13. Atlanta (CSA): 6,365,108
14. Detroit (CSA): 5,319,913
15. Greater Guadalajara: 4,796,603
16. Tampa Bay Area (FL DOF): 4,743,866
17. Seattle (CSA): 4,602,591
18. Phoenix (MSA): 4,574,531
19. Greater Monterrey: 4,475,949
20. Greater Montreal: 4,060,692
21. Minneapolis/Saint Paul (CSA): 3,866,768
22. Cleveland (CSA): 3,493,596
23. Denver (CSA): 3,418,876
24. San Diego (MSA): 3,299,521
25. Orlando (CSA): 3,129,308
26. Portland (CSA): 3,110,906
27. Greater Puebla: 2,941,988
28. Saint Louis (CSA): 2,916,447
29. Pittsburgh (CSA): 2,648,605
30. Charlotte (CSA): 2,583,956
31. Sacramento (CSA): 2,544,026
32. Greater Vancouver: 2,504,340
33. Salt Lake City (CSA): 2,467,709
34. Kansas City (CSA): 2,428,362
35. Columbus (CSA): 2,424,831
36. San Antonio (MSA): 2,384,075
37. Indianapolis (CSA): 2,372,530
38. Las Vegas (CSA): 2,362,015
39. Cincinnati (CSA): 2,216,735
40. Raleigh/Durham (CSA): 2,117,103
41. Greater Toluca: 2,116,506
42. Milwaukee (CSA): 2,046,692
43. Austin (MSA): 2,000,860
Sorry I didn't read through 40 pages of discussion on what was supposed to be census population totals.. All I was doing was pointing out how disingenuous those numbers were. The other areas don't have some inane made up area to boost their population stats..
Yeah, but that's on you though (not reading). FLDOF is the Florida Department of Finance. It is one of Florida's state departments along with the Florida Department of Transportation, and others. In their regional planning, they use the broader definition for the Tampa Bay Area. Again, there was no advocation for this definition as the official one for the Tampa area but just a "lets see where it is now and how its doing annually" sort of thing. That intention was made clear though, right from the start.
Lol, what? How many people are honestly going to read through almost 400 posts about numbers they can find on the census website..? Someone was surprised about Tampas "growth", I was merely stating that those numbers weren't official census numbers.
Ironically (or is it..?), that's the only area population stat not derived from legitimate census numbers.. I agree, the rest of the list with actual CSA/MSA stats is good. I'm just not sure why it was decided to use a random designation instead of the real designations decided by the federal government for that particular stat? Ah well.. It should be obvious by now that it's not a correct comparison.
Certainly it's easier and clearer if one uses a single source for comparing metros to each other within a country. Many metros have extended definitions that grow their populations. In the case of the list inclusive of Canada and Mexico, it makes sense for each of those countries to also have their own singular source.
Just as an aside and not to stir up additional debate, Red John, I know that's the number they are using for it, but do you find that 4.7 number to be accurate? I'm just curious, if you would say this is somewhat in a range you would find reasonable based on the numbers they are using. I think the 2.9 number is for Tampa/St Pete/Clearwater. I think you could make a case that Bradenton/Sarasota/West Polk County/Pasco could be included beyond that, but past that I feel it's getting too far out, and A (infringing on Orlando's territory). How far do these lines normally go out? Do some cities tend to over or under exaggerate?
From my research, if you add (1/2) of Polk County, and 2/3 of Bradenton/Sarasota/Venice and Pasco County, you get an additional 1.1 Million living within an hour of DT Tampa, putting it at about 4 million. Would that be a more reliable indicator?
Ironically (or is it..?), that's the only area population stat not derived from legitimate census numbers..
Ironically, these are estimates we are talking about, so I'm not sure why you're so adamant about this. It's not like it is the actual census. This isn't a Doctoral Thesis, we can talk about various things relating to theorized population centers. For example: the Bos-Wash corridor. The census doesn't recognize such an area, but it does exist.
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It should be obvious by now that it's not a correct comparison.
Actually it is a better comparison, since the list he made was for CSA's. Tampa doesn't have a CSA (yet). So the wider definition compared to the other cities wider definitions is only logical. Rather than MSA compared to CSA.
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