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I would bet you that Hartford gets added to New Haven MSA/NYC CSA before it combines with Springfield. There isn't much interplay between those two metros, despite their geographic proximity.
Seriously? The Census Bureau definitions, are very flawed and somewhat fictional!! And while there are metrics involved, there are politics involved as well. Just look at the inconsistencies in the metro area definitions (especially the MSAs) across the US. These aren't 100% objective fact-based definitions!!
There are no politics involved in Census area designations.
And what are you claiming to be "fictional"? You are saying that the army of stats PhDs at the Census Bureau are in some vast conspiracy or something?
If we are complaining then I am going to throw it out there that in reality there are around 9 million people that consider Philadelphia their city. Just sayin'.
Actually Tampa on that particular list was my bad altogether. I didn't mean to intentionally use that definition in the official population count list. I had forgotten to change Tampa back to its official designated MSA. I had just copied and pasted the earlier PCSA list that I compiled in this thread and added a few more American places (over 2 million) and the Mexican and Canadian ones that applied.
The Tampa Bay Area, as defined by the Florida State Departments and the Regional Planning Commissions as comprised of the following;
Tampa Bay Area
- Tampa-St. Petersburg-Clearwater, FL MSA: 2,975,225
- North Port-Sarasota, FL CSA: 977,491
- Lakeland-Winter Haven, FL MSA: 650,092
- Homosassa Springs, FL MSA: 141,058
- Tampa Bay Area 2015: 4,743,866
- Tampa Bay Area 2014: 4,644,683
- Difference in 12 months: + 99,183
I would bet you that Hartford gets added to New Haven MSA/NYC CSA before it combines with Springfield. There isn't much interplay between those two metros, despite their geographic proximity.
There is almost no chance that Hartford gets added to the NY CSA because the two cities are 100 miles apart!! There is more commuter interplay with Springfield than NY.
There are no politics involved in Census area designations.
And what are you claiming to be "fictional"? You are saying that the army of stats PhDs at the Census Bureau are in some vast conspiracy or something?
First of all, these metro definitions are put together by the OMB, which is basically a branch of the White House. So they are almost political by definition.
Second of all, let's look at some definitions of core based metropolitan areas.
From wikipedia:
The U.S. Office of Management and Budget defines a set of core based statistical areas (CBSAs) throughout the country. CBSAs are delineated on the basis of a central urban area or urban cluster – in other words: a contiguous area of relatively high population density. CBSAs are composed of counties and county equivalents.[2] The counties containing the core urban area are known as the central counties of the CBSA. Additional surrounding counties, known as outlying counties, can be included in the CBSA if these counties have strong social and economic ties to the central counties as measured by commuting and employment. Outlying counties are included in the CBSA if the employment interchange measure (total of in- and out-commuting) is 25% or more, although these numbers are estimates and exceptions are made. Some areas within these outlying counties may be rural in nature. As well as MSAs, CBSAs are subdivided into micropolitan statistical areas (μSAs) based on the population of the core urban area. Under certain conditions, one or more CBSAs may be grouped together to form a larger statistical entity known as a combined statistical area (CSA).
The fact that "exceptions are made" means that politics (local opinion) are involved!! And while Hartford/Springfield, for example, doesn't meet the 25% interchange threshold for becoming an MSA, neither does Miami/Ft Lauderdale/W Palm Beach!!
Are Needles and Blythe CA really part of the Riverside metro area?
Raleigh and Durham are in adjacent counties, about 20 miles apart, but they're in separate MSA's
Part of the Raleigh city limits extend into Durham County, and part of the Durham city limits extend into Wake County. So is the part of Raleigh in Durham County not part of the Raleigh MSA? Is the part of the Durham in Wake County not part of the Durham MSA?
This is why many MSA's, aren't based in reality.
They are very fictional!!!
First of all, these metro definitions are put together by the OMB, which is basically a branch of the White House. So they are almost political by definition.
Second of all, let's look at some definitions of core based metropolitan areas.
From wikipedia:
The U.S. Office of Management and Budget defines a set of core based statistical areas (CBSAs) throughout the country. CBSAs are delineated on the basis of a central urban area or urban cluster – in other words: a contiguous area of relatively high population density. CBSAs are composed of counties and county equivalents.[2] The counties containing the core urban area are known as the central counties of the CBSA. Additional surrounding counties, known as outlying counties, can be included in the CBSA if these counties have strong social and economic ties to the central counties as measured by commuting and employment. Outlying counties are included in the CBSA if the employment interchange measure (total of in- and out-commuting) is 25% or more, although these numbers are estimates and exceptions are made. Some areas within these outlying counties may be rural in nature. As well as MSAs, CBSAs are subdivided into micropolitan statistical areas (μSAs) based on the population of the core urban area. Under certain conditions, one or more CBSAs may be grouped together to form a larger statistical entity known as a combined statistical area (CSA).
The fact that "exceptions are made" means that politics (local opinion) are involved!! And while Hartford/Springfield, for example, doesn't meet the 25% interchange threshold for becoming an MSA, neither does Miami/Ft Lauderdale/W Palm Beach!!
Are Needles and Blythe CA really part of the Riverside metro area?
Raleigh and Durham are in adjacent counties, about 20 miles apart, but they're in separate MSA's
Part of the Raleigh city limits extend into Durham County, and part of the Durham city limits extend into Wake County. So is the part of Raleigh in Durham County not part of the Raleigh MSA? Is the part of the Durham in Wake County not part of the Durham MSA?
This is why many MSA's, aren't based in reality.
They are very fictional!!!
There are no fictional MSA's. Statistical areas can be defined anyway the definer wants them. They only become fiction when someone looks at an area like the Inland Empire and considers it a separate city on the level with other 4million metros, and not the extension of LA that it is.
There is almost no chance that Hartford gets added to the NY CSA because the two cities are 100 miles apart!! There is more commuter interplay with Springfield than NY.
You don't understand how CSAs work. Relative distance has nothing to do with it.
Cities could be 1,000 miles apart or 1 mile apart, it means absolutely nothing for the calculation of MSAs and CSAs.
First of all, these metro definitions are put together by the OMB, which is basically a branch of the White House. So they are almost political by definition.
No, they aren't political. The Census Bureau is about as apolitical as it gets in terms of federal agencies.
And OMB isn't "a branch of the White House". Not even sure what that means.
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