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No one knows what the future brings. The US economy is due, even overdue for a recession. Interest rates are expected to rise after years held back. A new president has the world's nations figuring out how it will effect them? After years of Sunbelt cities rise in construction levels were high. Most slowed a bit, to absorb what is in the pipeline on the market and effected by oil prices in some.
None stopped nor will unless a REAL recession hits. Some cities like Chicago, always had boom then a time to absorb what all came on the market. Over-building in speculation effects the profits of selling and rents pretty fast there.
No guarantee in markets the US Northern cities in the Rust-belt especially. Really have just Chicago with a core building in such levels. They all have weather factors that keeps a nation half of which has more mild winters. Losing degrees of residents that MUST BE offset by Young Professionals moving back to their cores to increasing Latino populations. I don't believe any upper US Mid-West and Northeastern cities. Are gaining African Americans. Sunbelt cities fro Dallas and Houston to Atlanta are.
Always this Nation is moving in and out of extremes to overall changing demographics as growth in the Latino population. Canada does not have. Especially those illegal and most generally low-skilled. For cities to absorb and still one group Northern cities still have steady growth in Latino numbers that offsets losses of others groups.
But it is Professionals moving in that aids these Northern cities most. With Sunbelt cities getting more middle-Class and the poorer.
Toronto and Vancouver seem to have ALL of Canada's growth. While the US has far more cities to compete. States with lower taxes have their cities gaining most especially if in milder winter regions.
The South was once the slow growth region. But Not anymore.
But count NO CITY OUT. It reasons things could change in regions with water issues. Unless Ocean water desalination becomes feasible. Great Lake cities have no such problem. But the US economy is still key for its cities unless international investments are strong there. Helping some much more then others. Chicago will remind a "Tale of to cities in one". One increasing in vibrancy. The other not. But nothing is a sure thing in the US turbulent at times economy.
This non-sequitur is really quite childish. You're simply changing focus now so that Toronto can "win," as it were.
The question wasn't "Which city has the highest violent crime rate, chiefly due to a much larger gang problem?" (It's Chicago, obviously).
The original question posed wasn't even "Which country has the higher violent crime rate?" (It's the U.S., obviously)
The question was "[which is] most-powerful, culturally-significant, world-class city?" (Despite its problems, it's Chicago, quite obviously)
"Chicago based on what the OP asked.Not even close.On all accounts.
Chicago gave us the Skycraper,House Music,Barack Obama,Chicago Blues,Earnest Hemingway,McDonalds,Al Capone,The Magnificent Mile,etc.I cant name one thing even close to those things known around the world about any of the other cities.
Thats not a knock but few cities other than NYC,LA,SF,DC can compare in this regard." //www.city-data.com/forum/46076059-post11.html
^So it's okay for a Chicagoan to acknowledge Chicago "giving the world Al Capone", but ignore Chicago's current gang culture and it's socio-economic issues when it's brought up by a non-Chicagoan?
If you say so...
You're correct. The OP did include cultural significance in their thread title. But let's not act like socio economic factors such as crime don't have an effect on things like education, business, population, politics etc. which are all criteria which eventually defines what a world class city.
Well no one thinks that but history is only relevant to who is paying attention
People never say that about Montreal or Quebec City,
And they definitely never say it about Chicago
Alright we get it, Toronto doesn't have history. Montreal does. Chicago does. And that makes a city so much better because of its history. Can we talk about something more tangible? Like what each city is doing to actually improve its infrastructure, its quality of life, its business environment - you know, things that actually have to do with people who are still alive today. Instead of boasting vague ideas of historical greatness over and over. The city where I was born, in Xi'an China, boasts 3000 years of history and was the capital of 13 imperial dynasties stretching back to 1000 BC, and once the capital of the largest empire on earth until 1664. Yet most people never even heard of it. So when I hear people boasting about the so-called "history" of cities like Chicago, Montreal, Toronto, NYC, they almost sound like infants compared to the likes of Rome and London and Athens and Xi'an, which already boasted 1 million+ core urban population by the time of the Roman Republic.
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Toronto and Vancouver seem to have ALL of Canada's growth.
Not really. The fastest growing big cities in Canada in the 2000s have been Calgary and Edmonton. Ottawa is growing about as fast as Toronto and Vancouver.
Well no one thinks that but hisory is only relevant to who is paying attention
People never say that about Montreal or Quebec City,
And they definitely never say it about Chicago
Especially not if the people in the city itself aren't interested in their own history. One of Toronto's strong points is undoubtedly its forward looking focus, but one does get the impression it doesn't have much time for its history and heritage.
Especially not if the people in the city itself aren't interested in their own history. One of Toronto's strong points is undoubtedly its forward looking focus, but one does get the impression it doesn't have much time for its history and heritage.
Partly because there really isn't much history to be nostalgic about. I mean, half the city population in Toronto are foreign born today, so why would any of them care to reminisce about those good old days when a small group of anglo elites from England ruled a medium-sized provincial capital...
My impression is that as time goes by, Toronto will undoubtedly mature and find its own unique set of cultural and historical identities - ones that it can actually be proud of such as its overwhelmingly liberal, progressive, and multicultural outlook and how that has resulted in a well-functioning city where you don't really need a particular dominant culture or racial group in order to succeed and thrive as a collective - that is a uniquely Toronto story and let's wait and see how it plays out in the upcoming years.
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