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Cause the evidence in this thread at least only regarding Black accent is mounting pretty high.
You see some of that from Chicago posters, but it tends to be the worst with DC and Baltimore posters because they were part of the South in the not so distant past. I think it also tends to be worse with NC posters and some Atlanta posters. They don't necessarily mind being labeled "Southern," but they want you to know they are not SC, AL, MS "southern." In other words, "we are the educated South of relocated Yankees and economic productivity, not the South of rundown shacks and racism."
I agree. Nobody hates the South here. It’s a huge misnomer on C-D that whenever identifying or pointing out distinctiveness and critiquing someone’s interpretations about the mid Atlantic region. That when it’s disputed, people must hate the “South”. Or the idea of the South, this is patently false.
I don't know why people are so quick to arrive at that conclusion. Literally no one mad that argument. It is a Red Herring.
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You see some of that from Chicago posters, but it tends to be the worst with DC and Baltimore posters because they were part of the South in the not so distant past. I think it also tends to be worse with NC posters and some Atlanta posters. They don't necessarily mind being labeled "Southern," but they want you to know they are not SC, AL, MS "southern." In other words, "we are the educated South of relocated Yankees and economic productivity, not the South of rundown shacks and racism."
Well throughout this thread all I’ve seen is acknowledgement that the regional accent has had overtones and influences from various parts which does include the South, and especially in places like NC or even lower VA. In addition to being (mostly in Black accent) derived from a mixture of the mid Atlantic rhotic tone of accent that stress the “Err” and “R’s”. I don’t see all this Yankees vs Southerners in shacks being spoken here. Maybe someone else in a thread from three or 5 years ago said that to you.
Bottom line is Maryland which includes Baltimore as well as metro DC has a mixed accent reflecting its location on the map. It’s not the same as the Carolinas or Mississippi so of course you would hear some people clarify that. Maryland is a part of a DelMarVa sub region as well as an immediate neighborhood to places like lower NJ and PA. There obviously is similarity and carry over in tone of speech or accent.
The Chicago Black accent comes across as distinctly more Deep South based than Baltimore or District of Columbia or Montgomery County or Anne Arundel or Baltimore county or Howard County etc. Which is what this thread is about.
You see some of that from Chicago posters, but it tends to be the worst with DC and Baltimore posters because they were part of the South in the not so distant past. I think it also tends to be worse with NC posters and some Atlanta posters. They don't necessarily mind being labeled "Southern," but they want you to know they are not SC, AL, MS "southern." In other words, "we are the educated South of relocated Yankees and economic productivity, not the South of rundown shacks and racism."
We're still part of the South. Baltimore's culture has not changed as much as other southern cities. We didn't get the influx of northerners.
This first sentence is invalidating a lot of your credibility for the thread. The two cities proper, since that’s what you want to narrow focus on, do not have identical accents by any means. I thought you “grew up” in the area?
There are literally videos online of DC and Baltimore people making fun of each other’s accents.
Again, I have told you, the DC and Baltimore black accents both have a Southern Twang to my ear (as a white person who grew up there). As a non-black person, they both sound similar. I grew up in Howard County. I"m not saying they don't use different slang/words or that they are not somewhat different....but can you honestly say that in terms of black accents, the following isn't a good characterization:
DC/Baltimore < Philly < NY/NJ/Boston
I view Baltimore and DC, like NY and Boston black accents. NY and Boston black accents are obviously different, but at a high-level, they are pretty similar (they both sound like a variant of what people typically consider a "New York" accent). The Philly black accent can also probably be grouped in with the NY and Boston black accent, but to a lesser extent.
Nobody would confuse a Baltimore or DC black accent with a NY or Boston black accent. The Southern Twang in the Baltimore and DC black accent is too obvious.
Surely you can understand that. Put that PG public school education to use!
Again, I have told you, the DC and Baltimore black accents both have a Southern Twang to my ear (as a white person who grew up there). As a non-black person, they both sound similar. I grew up in Howard County. I"m not saying they don't use different slang/words or that they are not somewhat different....but can you honestly say that in terms of black accents, the following isn't a good characterization:
DC/Baltimore < Philly < NY/NJ/Boston
I view Baltimore and DC, like NY and Boston black accents. NY and Boston black accents are obviously different, but at a high-level, they are pretty similar (they both sound like a variant of what people typically consider a "New York" accent). The Philly black accent can also probably be grouped in with the NY and Boston black accent, but to a lesser extent.
Nobody would confuse a Baltimore or DC black accent with a NY or Boston black accent. The Southern Twang in the Baltimore and DC black accent is too obvious.
Surely you can understand that. Put that PG public school education to use!
I wouldn't group Philly with NYC or Boston as they sound nothing alike. Baltimore's and DC accent is too distinct to be grouped with together. NYC/Boston>Philly>DC>Baltimore.
The Chicago Black accent comes across as distinctly more Deep South based than Baltimore or District of Columbia or Montgomery County or Anne Arundel or Baltimore county or Howard County etc. Which is what this thread is about.
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Exactly.
No, not true at all. I've given you several examples where this is blatantly false:
And this is just a handful of examples all from just Chicago (not extending to the whole state of Illinois). Even when you use the whole state of Maryland to try and find examples, you can't even produce many examples, let alone limiting to Baltimore or DC individually.
It's been proven once again, that DC and Baltimore blacks are more southern-influenced than Chicago!
And this is just a handful of examples all from just Chicago (not extending to the whole state of Illinois). Even when you use the whole state of Maryland to try and find examples, you can't even produce many examples, let alone limiting to Baltimore or DC individually.
It's been proven once again, that DC and Baltimore blacks are more southern-influenced than Chicago!
Using your logic for Jada Pinkett, wouldn't you think that people like Bryant Gumble would lose his accent since he's been a public speaker for so long? Those aren't good examples. I've been a Lupe Fan since 2006, and he has a noticable southern twang. In the interview you posted, he appears to be "code switching."
I'm talking C-D, not the real world. On C-D, folks will be bend over backwards to be non-Southern hence the proliferation of the "Is ______ really Southern?" threads a few years back. More than a few posters have gone ballistic at the mere suggestion that the border city they live in may have some hints of Southernness.
True although I would say the genuine intent of most of those threads is to judge just how much the local culture in certain places has been diluted.
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