Massachusetts vs Missouri (rates, homicide, airport, live)
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While post was really antiquated-but Bert is an older person if I recall.
Bert definitely does help solidify the position on New England I mentioned earlier.
Very liberal younger group throughout the region. Yet a lot of the 45 older crowd feels disinfranchised due to the regions skyrocketing COL from it's superb amenities and QOL. Constantly bringing up, or making it a point to mention communism/socialism as a reason they left even when not asked. Still thinks everyone.in MA is Irish and that trains bring undesirables. And if they leave MA, make it a point to insult (whether.out of jealousy, anger, regret) the politics of the region. Perhaps even complimenting it with a racist comment. Although MA has moved on to more of a global position with a large/largest biotech scene and has attracted some pretty big wheels and an intelligent cohort of graduates.. many in the 40-79 crowd (white, suburban, middle class) feel abandoned as MA changed pretty rapidly since 1995. So as MA leaves the good will hunting reputation, those who didn't adapt will leave and make it known. Citing cold war definitions of "communism" or "socialism" as they head out. Very common I'm seeing now.
Time after time we see it again and again. I'm white, and BBMM might have different experiences. But when I meet people who left MA in that cohort, who moved away it's usually a really derogatory/racist/xenophobic/homophobic/ignorant statement on why they did leave. Just happened yesterday , I met someone in Nc who left MA (Swampscott) and when I said oh I miss it. She replied with "why? It's corrupt and all full of Puerto Ricans on welfare! Who would ever want to live there!" Yikes.
But behold that stereotype that is still very present is leaving New England very fast.
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Bert definitely does help solidify the position on New England I mentioned earlier.
Very liberal younger group throughout the region. Yet most of the 55 older crowd feels disinfranchised due to the regions skyrocketing COL from it's superb amenities and QOL. Constantly bringing up, or making it a point to mention communism/socialism as a reason they left even when not asked. Still thinks everyone.in MA is Irish and that trains bring undesirables. And if they leave MA, make it a point to insult (whether.out of jealousy, anger, regret) the politics of the region. Perhaps even complimenting it with a racist comment. Although MA has moved on to more of a global position with a large/largest biotech scene and has attracted some pretty big wheels and an intelligent cohort of graduates.. many in the 40-79 crowd (white, suburban, middle class) feel abandoned as MA changed pretty rapidly since 1995. So as MA leaves the good will hunting reputation, those who didn't adapt will leave and make it known. Citing cold war definitions of "communism" or "socialism" as they head out. Very common I'm seeing now.
But behold that stereotype that is still very present is leaving New England very fast.
LOL, one of the most stereotypical posts I've read, bashing that, that is stereotypical. Nice, to be able to know it all. You know, someday, you, too, will be dismissed with the wave of a hand. Sucks to know that, right? I, for one, never helped to perpetuate that, but way too many, do. Very easy to be dismissive of an entire generation, or two. Time doesn't stand still, though, as those who dismiss, will find.
Okay, so I gather you live in either (the vestigial) Plymouth or Bristol counties.
I'm curious as to which "failed city" you live next door to. Candidates are New Bedford and Fall River.* Given your description, Brockton's too far inland, and Plymouth County has no cities to speak of. And I could still be totally off base.
(*FWIW, Fall River, like its near neighbor in Rhode Island Central Falls, has been a "failed city" for some time: it was the first city in the United States to go bankrupt, in 1931.)
My town abuts both though the Fall River border is short and in the low density part of town. I’m 2 miles from the first New Bedford housing project. The rural stuff is promoted as the Farm Coast. I can ride a bicycle on rural roads all the way to the Sakonnet River in Rhode Island. My mom used to have a house on the Sakonnet. It’s 16 miles from here and all rural. Like anywhere with a failed economy, the top 10% of my High School graduating class moved “away” when we graduated from college. A few of us own summer homes but it’s a tough place to earn a living unless you’re health care or public sector.
LOL, one of the most stereotypical posts I've read, bashing that, that is stereotypical. Nice, to be able to know it all. You know, someday, you, too, will be dismissed with the wave of a hand. Sucks to know that, right? I, for one, never helped to perpetuate that, but way too many, do.
Get off your high horse. Racism and bigotry is very common in Massachusetts. It's alive and well. And honestly, pretty aggressive.
There's absolutely no excuse for racism, bigotry or xenophobia. Yes. You will be dismissed immediately.
Get off your high horse. Racism and bigotry is very common in Massachusetts. It's alive and well. And honestly, pretty aggressive.
There's absolutely no excuse for racism, bigotry or xenophobia. Yes. You will be dismissed immediately.
I think that among the college educated white collar part of the population, it’s mostly classist rather than racist. There are plenty of Trump demographic in the state but they’re outnumbered.
I think that among the college educated white collar part of the population, it’s mostly classist rather than racist. There are plenty of Trump demographic in the state but they’re outnumbered.
Classist and Elitist behavior definitely is very common in the white collar/college education class.
It’s Lyme disease. Named for Lyme Connecticut. It didn’t happen this year because it was an unusually dry spring and summer but mosquitoes at dusk are the annoyance in my zip code and EEE outbreaks are the bigger deal than Lyme which generally responds to antibiotics.
The people leaving Massachusetts are the U Haul demographic. The inward migration is white collar professionals. The people who work in the metro Boston office towers and office parks generally aren’t Massachusetts natives. It’s unusual to hear a Boston accent. It’s why Massachusetts has the highest percentage of college educated adults. The housing costs in metro Boston chase everyone else out.
My corner of coastal Massachusetts an hour south of Boston has 10 square miles of conservation land and land trusts. I’m in the dense suburban harbor village part of town but in 10 minutes on a bicycle, it’s rural backcountry roads that haven’t changed much in 50 years. It’s beyond reasonable commuting distance to the Boston job market and the local economy is weak so the farmland was locked up before the town sprawled.
Once you’re outside of the Boston economic engine, it’s a different state. The down side is the smaller cities are all failed cities with a low skill labor force and not globally competitive.
So my Massachusetts is out on the boat looking at seals, hanging on the beach, or bicycle rides on rural roads. Shopping is either in Mall Hell 10 minutes away or in the failed city next door. Totally different from when I lived in leafy inner Boston suburbs with Boston/Cambridge 10 minutes away.
I’m not sure what you think MO’s secondary cities are like but Springfield (Hampden County) is wealthier than both Jefferson City and Sprinfield MO’s counties by over 10%.
Worcester is significantly wealthier.
As for big cities St Louis and KC are far more troubled than anywhere in Boston, both having more homicides than the entire commonwealth.
Yes New Bedford, Springfield, Worcester, Pittsfield aren’t as Wealthy as Boston but they are not poor.
Worcester is actually pretty typical of smaller cities across the country. Most cities that didn’t have Over day 1.5 million people in the metro in 2010 were slow growers. That is unless they had a combination of these things, State Capital, Public Flagship University, large Federal Investment or the Largest City in the State. There are a couple exceptions I can think of like Grand Rapids, or Greenville/Spartenburg SC but it’s generally true.
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Yeah I've talked to Irish people and they don't view Irish-Americans as Irish unless their parents are from Ireland.
Irish-Americans in Massachusetts and Rhode Island have an implicit bond, especially within the large, prominent network of Roman Catholic churches and schools throughout the region; from this perspective, very little has changed over the past 50-60 years. If you never attended parochial schools in this region as a non-Irish and/or non-Catholic person, then you will not understand. Many of the most distinguished secondary schools in Eastern New England are affiliated with the Roman Catholic Church, such as Bishop Feenan High School, Boston College High School, Newton Country Day School, St. John's Preparatory School and the Ursuline Academy, for example. Irish-Americans who do not belong to or participate in upper-middle-class life are still very prolific in civil service occupations throughout Eastern New England, especially those that are unionized (e.g., education, public administration, public safety, etc.). And regardless of demographic shifts during the early 21st century, which have diminished Irish-American power and influence in Massachusetts, many politicians who still serve that state are Irish-American (e.g., Marty Walsh, Jim McGovern, Stephen Lynch, Gina McCarthy, Richard Neal, etc.) or pretend to be Irish by flaunting Irish surnames, like John Kerry.
Bert definitely does help solidify the position on New England I mentioned earlier.
Very liberal younger group throughout the region. Yet a lot of the 45 older crowd feels disinfranchised due to the regions skyrocketing COL from it's superb amenities and QOL. Constantly bringing up, or making it a point to mention communism/socialism as a reason they left even when not asked. Still thinks everyone.in MA is Irish and that trains bring undesirables. And if they leave MA, make it a point to insult (whether.out of jealousy, anger, regret) the politics of the region. Perhaps even complimenting it with a racist comment. Although MA has moved on to more of a global position with a large/largest biotech scene and has attracted some pretty big wheels and an intelligent cohort of graduates.. many in the 40-79 crowd (white, suburban, middle class) feel abandoned as MA changed pretty rapidly since 1995. So as MA leaves the good will hunting reputation, those who didn't adapt will leave and make it known. Citing cold war definitions of "communism" or "socialism" as they head out. Very common I'm seeing now.
Time after time we see it again and again. I'm white, and BBMM might have different experiences. But when I meet people who left MA in that cohort, who moved away it's usually a really derogatory/racist/xenophobic/homophobic/ignorant statement on why they did leave. Just happened yesterday , I met someone in Nc who left MA (Swampscott) and when I said oh I miss it. She replied with "why? It's corrupt and all full of Puerto Ricans on welfare! Who would ever want to live there!" Yikes.
But behold that stereotype that is still very present is leaving New England very fast.
No...im pretty sure this is everyone's experience if they've come across that demo lol, it carries the negative perception of New Englanders across the country. These people flee what is essentially the 'New Jerseyfication' of Southern New England. It's been creeping up this way for a while as you already stated.
I wouldn't say they "feel abandoned" because, especially in MA, there's an inflated sense of cultural ownership amongst that demographic- but rather they don't like the changes and work to slow them down or minimalize/ignore them. I don't know how consequential it is in the grand scheme of things but it's definitely a sentiment. Amongst folks who remain in MA, there are definitely people who value the newfound diversity of their neighbors and the different cultures and cuisines but they're maybe half of that demo.
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