Massachusetts vs Missouri (live, state, better, compare)
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Not quite sure what your point is here. In all seriousness, what is the point of that statement??
It’s not really hiking unless there is a mountain which Missouri basically doesn’t have. (And yes I am aware of the Ozarks) otherwise it’s jist walking.
Boston's biggest advantage is you can live in the city and travel to mountains, beaches, parks, hills, port towns relatively easily. And the MBTA has great weekend deals for when you want to do so. It's like that in DC too. For that reason, Boston over NYC. it just makes quality of life so much easier. Hence why I rank Boston and DC so high because they truly are livable and accessible world class cities. Philadelphia probably is too. Not sure how easy it is to visit different beaches and towns around.
But Boston and Jazz? Really? I'm not trying to sound ignorant/put down Boston.. but isn't it's music scene pretty bad? Willing to learn more on it though
Since you asked:
The beach is an hour to an hour and a half away from Center City Philadelphia, depending on which Jersey Shore community you wish to visit (or have your summer residence/rental in). LGBT beach-goers will spend the two hours it takes to get to Rehoboth Beach from here (that re cpousort is actually more closely associated with Washington than Philadelphia, but the highways from Philadelphia to Rehoboth are better).
The Pocono Mountains (skiing, fishing, hiking, other outdoor activities) are about an hour and a half away on any of several highways that vary from fast to stop-and-go. They're not as spectacular as the Berkshires, but then again, there's nothing like the Delaware Water Gap in the Berkshires. (I've not seen it yet, but I understand the Grand Canyon of Pennsylvania is pretty impressive too.)
There are some very good state and county parks within the metropolitan region itself as well. Perhaps the most popular is Ridley Creek State Park in Delaware County, which has a preserved late-17th-century Pennsylvania plantation, hiking trails, fishing, camping and other activities. The portions of the Delaware and Lehigh Canal, which carried goods between Easton and Bristol from the 1830s until 1931, that have been restored or maintained and are accessible to the public make for very pleasant hiking and biking along its towpath. And perhaps the most unusual of them is Ringing Rocks Park, a Bucks County park in the county's upper reaches; bring a hammer with you when you visit so you can play the musical rocks.
As for Boston and jazz: Sounds to me like the jazz scene there has actually gotten better since I left: I can't think of a single jazz club I could patronize in my college years, though I did catch a wonderful duo piano concert featuring Herbie Hancock and Chick Corea at Symphony Hall once. (There probably was one or two, but I just wasn't aware of their (its?) existence.) Boston's historic ties to the music are much weaker than Philadelphia's, let alone Kansas City's.
I think this was mentioned only in passing, but KC's food scene also extends well beyond barbecue too. I'd actually put it up against Boston's now. There are some cuisines one can find in Boston but not in KC (Ethiopian, e.g.), but the variety of ethnic cuisines available in KC now extends well beyond Italian and Mexican. (Also: I'm not sure this really counts as a plus, but KC is also the city that sprung Houlihan's on an unsuspecting world. Anyone care to hear the origin story?)
It’s not really hiking unless there is a mountain which Missouri basically doesn’t have. (And yes I am aware of the Ozarks) otherwise it’s jist walking.
Distance counts too. Five miles is a walk; 25 isn't.
There is no such thing as hiking in Missouri. Only walking.
Also who is hunting or fishing more outdoorsy than sitting on a beach. You’re just sitting in a blind or a rock
Meh. When I’m training for something like a Grand Canyon rim to rim hike, I have to drive almost 2 hours from my summer house to Wachusett and that’s only 1,000 feet of vertical. Mountains are a Northern New England thing. Greylock is the only hike in the state with more than 2,000 feet of vertical.
My town has a bunch of really nice trails on conservation land. The land trust had 5,500 acres and 40 miles of trails. You don’t need vertical to have a nice walk.
In my universe, fishing is sitting or standing on the boat. Sadly, I’m good at fishing. Not so good at catching. Black bass season is May 18.
It’s not really hiking unless there is a mountain which Missouri basically doesn’t have. (And yes I am aware of the Ozarks) otherwise it’s jist walking.
Looks like enough there, to take a pretty good hike. Good to know you can define for all of us, the differences between "just walking", and hiking. You have to be able to admit, you might just be wrong though.
Boston has a very extensive jazz history with clubs like the savoy, Storyville, rose land, Wallys, bobs. It was a major stop for Duke Ellington, Ella Fitzgerald etc.
John Coltranes drummer was from Boston as were many other famous musicians band members. Two of Duke Wllingtons band members were from Boston. Boston Jazz history is extremely extensive, I suggest you Google it. Don’t forget Boston JazzFest
New Jazz cafe opening in Roxbury in 2022. Jazz Urbane Cafe will be founded by a professir from Berkleee to serve the Roxbury community. It will be in the Bollingt building of Nubian Square
Boston's biggest advantage is you can live in the city and travel to mountains, beaches, parks, hills, port towns relatively easily. And the MBTA has great weekend deals for when you want to do so. It's like that in DC too. For that reason, Boston over NYC. it just makes quality of life so much easier. Hence why I rank Boston and DC so high because they truly are livable and accessible world class cities. Philadelphia probably is too. Not sure how easy it is to visit different beaches and towns around.
But Boston and Jazz? Really? I'm not trying to sound ignorant/put down Boston.. but isn't it's music scene pretty bad? Willing to learn more on it though
Boston has a very extensive jazz history with clubs like the savoy, Storyville, rose land, Wallys, bobs. It was a major stop for Duke Ellington, Ella Fitzgerald etc.
John Coltranes drummer was from Boston as were many other famous musicians band members. Two of Duke Wllingtons band members were from Boston. Boston Jazz history is extremely extensive, I suggest you Google it. Don’t forget Boston JazzFest
New Jazz cafe opening in Roxbury in 2022. Jazz Urbane Cafe will be founded by a professir from Berkleee to serve the Roxbury community. It will be in the Bollingt building of Nubian Square
Boston was a whole Jazz Mecca. Just one of many things that gets lost in the Boston whitewash.
Boston’s music scene is in general pretty strong ATM mostly in Hip Hop though, with a couple signed major label artists. The dead period has definitely been over for at least 5 years.
Not really. Your ideas on New England are very pre;1980s and narrow minded. I give New England a rough time but some things you say are like "it's corrupt!" Or "bad outdoor activities!" Are things that are like, not true. It's like someone from New York complaining NYC was too small so they left to Des Moines. There's plenty to bicker at on New England, but let's make sure our observations are within the realm of today and not outdated perceptions on what it may have been like.
Boston has a very extensive jazz history with clubs like the savoy, Storyville, rose land, Wallys, bobs. It was a major stop for Duke Ellington, Ella Fitzgerald etc.
John Coltranes drummer was from Boston as were many other famous musicians band members. Two of Duke Wllingtons band members were from Boston. Boston Jazz history is extremely extensive, I suggest you Google it. Don’t forget Boston JazzFest
New Jazz cafe opening in Roxbury in 2022. Jazz Urbane Cafe will be founded by a professir from Berkleee to serve the Roxbury community. It will be in the Bollingt building of Nubian Square
Boston was a whole Jazz Mecca. Just one of many things that gets lost in the Boston whitewash.
Boston’s music scene is in general pretty strong ATM mostly in Hip Hop though, with a couple signed major label artists. The dead period has definitely been over for at least 5 years.
I think you make your case for Boston having a place in jazz history here, but "Mecca"? I think that's overstating it; it certainly isn't on the same plane as New Orleans/KC/New York or Philadelphia/Chicago; maybe on par with LA. But LA originated a genre of jazz ("West Coast cool," epitomized by Dave Brubeck), and all the other cities I've mentioned on this list can also lay claim to a jazz style, era, legedary/groundbreaking musician, or two or more of these (would you rather claim Coltrane's drummer or Coltrane himself?).
Edited to add: But when I did Google "Boston jazz history," this was the first item that popped up. It looks like the book merits reading.
Edited to add further: And I really should b*tch-slap myself, considering that I roomed with a Berklee College of Music student for a year when I lived in Watertown, and one of the biggest names in jazz to have come from the Kansas City area in the recent past, Lee's Summit-born Pat Metheny, both studied there and teaches there on occasion (or so I hear). Please allow me to "revise and extend my remarks" (what members of Congress say after they deliver their brief floor speeches to indicate that something completely different and much longer will appear in the Congressional Record recounting of the day's floor debate).
Last edited by MarketStEl; 02-01-2021 at 07:51 AM..
Boston has a very extensive jazz history with clubs like the savoy, Storyville, rose land, Wallys, bobs. It was a major stop for Duke Ellington, Ella Fitzgerald etc.
John Coltranes drummer was from Boston as were many other famous musicians band members. Two of Duke Wllingtons band members were from Boston. Boston Jazz history is extremely extensive, I suggest you Google it. Don’t forget Boston JazzFest
New Jazz cafe opening in Roxbury in 2022. Jazz Urbane Cafe will be founded by a professir from Berkleee to serve the Roxbury community. It will be in the Bollingt building of Nubian Square
Boston was a whole Jazz Mecca. Just one of many things that gets lost in the Boston whitewash.
Boston’s music scene is in general pretty strong ATM mostly in Hip Hop though, with a couple signed major label artists. The dead period has definitely been over for at least 5 years.
I shaft Boston's music industry more than I should. Did not even know they had jazz, at all really. Good to know.
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