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Old 04-19-2023, 07:16 AM
 
Location: 215
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Baltimore has a much nicer waterfront. Both have a lot of ugly row houses.

https://billypenn.com/2022/12/14/fes...artment-group/


More commercial + public space on the river along with better access to the trail.
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Old 04-19-2023, 07:28 AM
 
Location: BMORE!
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Nj acknowledges it comes from Baltimore lol. House is pretty popular too, especially the older generations.
I don't know what the pushback from Philly posters is about. It's common knowledge that they got it from Baltimore
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Old 04-19-2023, 07:31 AM
 
Location: Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
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I don't know what the pushback from Philly posters is about. It's common knowledge that they got it from Baltimore
Got what? Lil Uzi isn't making "Baltimore Club" music lol. that's what you said and it's untrue. "Baltimore Club" music was a sub genre that was popular 10-15 years ago. It doesn't really mean anything lol. Nor is it "influential".

Dirt Bikes on the other hand might be Baltimore's biggest contribution to urban life in America.
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Old 04-19-2023, 07:49 AM
 
Location: BMORE!
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Got what? Lil Uzi isn't making "Baltimore Club" music lol. that's what you said and it's untrue. "Baltimore Club" music was a sub genre that was popular 10-15 years ago. It doesn't really mean anything lol. Nor is it "influential".

Dirt Bikes on the other hand might be Baltimore's biggest contribution to urban life in America.
Re-read my post. Like I said, Baltimore has heavy influence in Philly. You're lying to yourself to say otherwise.

10-15 years ago.lol
You must not have listened to music in the last couple of years.

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Old 04-19-2023, 08:36 AM
 
Location: Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
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Re-read my post. Like I said, Baltimore has heavy influence in Philly. You're lying to yourself to say otherwise.
someone is lying to themselves but it ain't me haha..

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https://billypenn.com/2022/12/14/fes...artment-group/

More commercial + public space on the river along with better access to the trail.
This is probably a bit of a hot take, but when you really add up all the projects on both rivers, I doubt there are many cities in America currently doing more to transform their waterfronts.

Whole neighborhoods like Northbank created from scratch: https://www.liveatnorthbank.com/
The Delaware Power Plant's massive remodel: https://thebatteryphl.com/
The I-95 cap and South Street pedestrian bridge: https://95revive.com/news/penndot-be...penns-landing/
Revamp of Graffiti Pier: https://www.phillyvoice.com/graffiti...ng-street-art/
South Philly wetlands: https://www.delawareriverwaterfront....-wetlands-park
Navy Yard's evolution into a full mixed-use district: https://navyyard.org/plan
The Bellweather District (this is replacing the biggest oil refinery on the East Coast): https://www.thebellwetherdistrict.com/
The Schuylkill river boardwalk extension into Southwest Philly: https://www.schuylkillbanks.org/proj...stian-crescent
the list goes on..


Speaking of waterfronts though, I'm a bit surprised that Cordish hasn't tried to take over Harbor Place in Baltimore.
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Old 04-19-2023, 08:42 AM
 
Location: BMORE!
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someone is lying to themselves but it ain't me haha..



This is probably a bit of a hot take, but when you really add up all the projects on both rivers, I doubt there are many cities in America currently doing more to transform their waterfronts.

Whole neighborhoods like Northbank created from scratch: https://www.liveatnorthbank.com/
The Delaware Power Plant's massive remodel: https://thebatteryphl.com/
The I-95 cap and South Street pedestrian bridge: https://95revive.com/news/penndot-be...penns-landing/
Revamp of Graffiti Pier: https://www.phillyvoice.com/graffiti...ng-street-art/
South Philly wetlands: https://www.delawareriverwaterfront....-wetlands-park
Navy Yard's evolution into a full mixed-use district: https://navyyard.org/plan
The Bellweather District (this is replacing the biggest oil refinery on the East Coast): https://www.thebellwetherdistrict.com/
The Schuylkill river boardwalk extension into Southwest Philly: https://www.schuylkillbanks.org/proj...stian-crescent
the list goes on..


Speaking of waterfronts though, I'm a bit surprised that Cordish hasn't tried to take over Harbor Place in Baltimore.
Harbor Place is better off being demolished. HP is/was owned by a NY company who let it decay. Hopefully another concept can be thought up to bring people back to the area of the harbor. Hopefully it will be authentic Baltimore rather than a bunch of national chains.

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Old 04-19-2023, 09:13 AM
 
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I mean you could say that about any major city?
Not necessarily - take Rice U. out of Houston or SMU out of DFW area and you won't notice a difference.

Oh well...if only UMBC is the main UMD campus instead of College Park .

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Harbor Place is better off being demolished. HP is/was owned by a NY company who let it decay. Hopefully another concept can be thought up to bring people back to the area of the harbor. Hopefully it will be authentic Baltimore rather than a bunch of national chains.
We can only be hopeful that the new local developer will do wonder in that area and revitalize things. Still will take more than developer's money, though...hard to get people back in the Harbor area when there's always that "dangerous" perception
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Old 04-19-2023, 09:15 AM
 
Location: Odenton, MD
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Harbor Place is better off being demolished. HP is/was owned by a NY company who let it decay. Hopefully another concept can be thought up to bring people back to the area of the harbor. Hopefully it will be authentic Baltimore rather than a bunch of national chains.
A bit late lol. HP was bought by MCB development (The guys behind Yard 56 & Madison Park North) end of last year.

The plan is to have temporary local venders fill the pavilions while they go through the redevelopment/design/financing process. Once everything is complete, they are both being demoed and replaced with mixed use.

What said mix-use will look like?.... anyone's guess atm.

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Old 04-19-2023, 09:44 AM
 
Location: Odenton, MD
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Not necessarily - take Rice U. out of Houston or SMU out of DFW area and you won't notice a difference.
The comparison I was making is if you took the largest employer out of "x" city, then every city would be hurt.

Baltimore's just happens to be JHU/Medical.

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This is probably a bit of a hot take, but when you really add up all the projects on both rivers, I doubt there are many cities in America currently doing more to transform their waterfronts.

Whole neighborhoods like Northbank created from scratch: https://www.liveatnorthbank.com/
The Delaware Power Plant's massive remodel: https://thebatteryphl.com/
The I-95 cap and South Street pedestrian bridge: https://95revive.com/news/penndot-be...penns-landing/
Revamp of Graffiti Pier: https://www.phillyvoice.com/graffiti...ng-street-art/
South Philly wetlands: https://www.delawareriverwaterfront....-wetlands-park
Navy Yard's evolution into a full mixed-use district: https://navyyard.org/plan
The Bellweather District (this is replacing the biggest oil refinery on the East Coast): https://www.thebellwetherdistrict.com/
The Schuylkill river boardwalk extension into Southwest Philly: https://www.schuylkillbanks.org/proj...stian-crescent
the list goes on..


Speaking of waterfronts though, I'm a bit surprised that Cordish hasn't tried to take over Harbor Place in Baltimore.
Philly is playing catch-up... You're not going to see NYC, Boston, Baltimore or DC make such monumental leaps because they are so far ahead on that bell-curve. They are gap filling, not starting from near "scratch". All the Bos-Wash corridor cities are building millions of sq/ft and thousands of units along their respective waterfronts, so Philly isn't alone here.

Regarding Harbor Place... see my response to KodeBlue.

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Old 04-19-2023, 09:50 AM
 
Location: BMORE!
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HP was bought by MCB development (The guys behind Yard 56 & Madison Park North) end of last year.

The plan is to have temporary local infill, while they go through redevelopment process. Once financing and everything is complete, they are both being demoed) and replaced with mixed use.

What said mix used will look like.... anyone's guess atm.
Once UDAAP butchers any semblance of creative design, we're likely left with a couple of boring glass boxes
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