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Both metros have lackluster public transportation so the back and forth is not warranted not in the least bit.
Something that's been said in almost every comment I've posted. Soooo...your point?
On my end, I'm explaining WHY one is lackluster, despite the fact that it is seen as a Godsend by a lot of those who live in the area.
On boi's end, he keeps explaining why the other is lackluster, despite the fact that those who live in the area ALREADY KNOW THAT AND READILY ADMIT IT...it's as if he wants us to think MetroRail is great just so he can "tell us why it's not".
And what's it to you anyway? You don't want to see this, hop on another thread will ya?
Both metros have lackluster public transportation so the back and forth is not warranted not in the least bit.
I think the main difference is that DFW has a fairly decent system it just has a very decentralized layout that is completely incompatible with a transit-oriented lifestyle. Houston is more centralized and has higher ridership now and more hope to have very high ridership in the future, it just doesn't have great transit infrastructure at the moment. Houston does also have a higher poverty rate which means more transit users who have no other choice. It will be interesting to see what it looks like when D2 is complete (and Project Connect in Austin for that matter).
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Here is my take:
Houston has the better bones for urban development but we lack the ambition to really start those projects that would truly capitalize on it.
Dallas doesn't have as good of bones for urban development but they are way more ambitious than we are. The result is that the most walkable/urban neighborhoods in Texas are in Dallas, but they had to force it really hard.
We could do so much, but Houston tends to be very lackadaisical about almost everything. Its a "let the chips fall where they may" kind of place. Ive also said Id much rather have DART than Metro. Id rather have the options of places to travel even if Im the only one on the train than a couple of lines that go very few places. Because of this, I actually voted Dallas on this poll.
I think Houston's lack of zoning means that you get a little bit of urbanity everywhere but consistent urbanity nowhere. Whether that's ultimately better or worse than the alternative is an interesting discussion.
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I think the main difference is that DFW has a fairly decent system it just has a very decentralized layout that is completely incompatible with a transit-oriented lifestyle. Houston is more centralized and has higher ridership now and more hope to have very high ridership in the future, it just doesn't have great transit infrastructure at the moment. Houston does also have a higher poverty rate which means more transit users who have no other choice. It will be interesting to see what it looks like when D2 is complete (and Project Connect in Austin for that matter).
I think Houston's lack of zoning means that you get a little bit of urbanity everywhere but consistent urbanity nowhere. Whether that's ultimately better or worse than the alternative is an interesting discussion.
DART is for Dallas County.....NOT DFW......So DART is very Centralized...Downtown Dallas is THE CENTRAL HUB for DART and the City of Dallas.
I have to say that Dallas has the swankier streetscapes, although Houston's while urban, is mainly geared toward business and events. Dallas is more fancier, but is kind of missing that grit factor that most urban cities like NYC and Philadelphia have to really create that true traditional urban experience. Dallas's urban seems to be more on the direction of Seattle's urban.
Houston has several areas with all the bones in place but it drops off because the neighborhoods are not connected as well. So Houston has more of a checkerboard feel of urbanism while Dallas has a smaller, but better connected feel
As far as rail goes, I agree with SPACECITY 100%. Flash is everything and we all know that's what Dallas does best. The rail system is flashy and more impressive to a visitor. I would trade Dallas's DART system over Houston's too (EXCEPT THE SLEEK LOOK OF OUR TRAINS, they can stay )
Where is the 'checkerboard urbanism' areas located?
Also can you give examples of the connected neighborhoods in Dallas.
Just going by Google Dallas doesn't have half the connected area size as Houston. The individual neighborhoods might have more energy but they are not all compartmentalized and criss-crossed by major roadways and flood plains
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Where is the 'checkerboard urbanism' areas located?
Also can you give examples of the connected neighborhoods in Dallas.
Just going by Google Dallas doesn't have half the connected area size as Houston. The individual neighborhoods might have more energy but they are not all compartmentalized and criss-crossed by major roadways and flood plains
Central Dallas is a lot more connected with more walkable streetscapes.
If Lower Montrose to the Museum District is not connected then ^^ isn't either. The Park is a nice touch though.
The Uptown area of Dallas is nice, but it's not as connected as people on here make it seem. It's separated from Oaklawn to the west by flood plain (in Texas we call this parks). https://maps.app.goo.gl/XAJBeRFaSTMxfcrQ9
Then downtown and all of that is separated from Bishop Arts by the almost 1 mile wide flood plain.
Idk, there are not as many connected neighborhoods in the core as in Houston. The individual areas all have their strengths, but I keep hearing how the neighborhoods are connected, but they are not. There are routes that make are developed into each other, but so does Houston.
If you want to say that Mckinney in Dallas is more built up than Main in Houston (outside of the downtown area) then I can see that. But that doesn't translate into Houston having less connected neighborhoods. You can't ride a tram down a street then base the whole core just off of that.
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