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I don’t want to bombard this thread with videos, but this is a really good walking tour of the West Village in Uptown Dallas. The the tour consists of 3 videos. The West Village neighborhood itself has about 250k sq ft of retail, 500k of office and 700 residential units. (Not including the surrounding developments around it)
I don’t want to bombard this thread with videos, but this is a really good walking tour of the West Village in Uptown Dallas. The the tour consists of 3 videos. The West Village neighborhood itself has about 250k sq ft of retail, 500k of office and 700 residential units. (Not including the surrounding developments around it)
Which is why Uptown is easily the most urban center in Houston. That's the major beef I have with Houston. Midtown could be Houston's version of Uptown but the haphazard development nature in Houston just won't allow it to reach those heights of urbanity. If you look at Uptown Dallas, they have their fair share of stripping centers with parking lots but they're not as big and suburban built like what you find in Midtown Houston. Compare Uptown D Whole Foods location to Midtown Houston's location.
Now that part of Midtown Houston has some bars,clubs, lounges and everything you need to promote a vibrant scene but there's also big parking lots further down the street which doesn't promotes a concentrated urban setting. Honestly most parts of Midtown Houston look like some suburban areas in LA. At least Uptown Dallas could hold it's own because you can easily see it's building for pedestrians.
With that said, my only knock against Uptown Dallas is the fact it's too many commercialized establishments. So even though I get more of a urban vibe in Uptown than I would anywhere in Houston, the fact it lacks that authenticity you want a urban center to have is kind of a let down as well. Now that's just my opinion. But Uptown is closer to what you'd see in Midtown Atlanta or parts of Fort Lauderdale( commercial strip). Midtown Houston is that in pockets.
Uptown Houston doesn't have the urban form that Midtown has.
Further, Midtown Houston is like 4 times the size of Uptown Dallas. You would be better to compare similar sized areas. Midtown can be divided into areas such as Post Midtown Area, Midtown Park Area, MidMain, HCC, Ion District, Flower District, Townhouse District, Upper Skid Row, Lower Skid Row, Baldwin Park, Post Office District,
Midtown Houston is over a mile wide and almost two miles long. Uptown Dallas is about a half mile wide by about a mile long.
The scale there is just too different to compare.
But Midtown Houston definitely has the better urban bones than Both Uptown HOU and Dal. The scale of both Uptowns are just off for me. For example the width of arterial roads in UTH: https://u.realgeeks.media/tdtexasrealty/uptown.jpg
I would be surprised to hear someone say Uptown is the most urban center in Houston. I would think they are drunk if I hear someone say it is EASILY the most urban. Downtown, Midtown, TMC, Montrose, East Downtown, The Heights, Museum District/Binz, even Upper Kirby all have better urban bones.
In the last 20 years while Houston has been filling in a dozen mini skylines, Dallas has been filling a much smaller area. At complete build out Uptown Dallas won't be able to match Midtown Houston because the bones are different.
Uptown Houston doesn't have the urban form that Midtown has.
Further, Midtown Houston is like 4 times the size of Uptown Dallas. You would be better to compare similar sized areas. Midtown can be divided into areas such as Post Midtown Area, Midtown Park Area, MidMain, HCC, Ion District, Flower District, Townhouse District, Upper Skid Row, Lower Skid Row, Baldwin Park, Post Office District,
Midtown Houston is over a mile wide and almost two miles long. Uptown Dallas is about a half mile wide by about a mile long.
The scale there is just too different to compare.
But Midtown Houston definitely has the better urban bones than Both Uptown HOU and Dal. The scale of both Uptowns are just off for me. For example the width of arterial roads in UTH: https://u.realgeeks.media/tdtexasrealty/uptown.jpg
I would be surprised to hear someone say Uptown is the most urban center in Houston. I would think they are drunk if I hear someone say it is EASILY the most urban. Downtown, Midtown, TMC, Montrose, East Downtown, The Heights, Museum District/Binz, even Upper Kirby all have better urban bones.
In the last 20 years while Houston has been filling in a dozen mini skylines, Dallas has been filling a much smaller area. At complete build out Uptown Dallas won't be able to match Midtown Houston because the bones are different.
LOL This is Uptown Dallas currently, not those pics that’s over 10 years old.
Victory Park is the high-rises surrounding the AAC. (That’s if y’all can still see it)
Recent aerial drone video on YouTube. Additional infill needs to take place but that’s already planned.
@1:41 - Victory Park
@1:50 - Big parking lot lower right planned Field St District. Empty lot across the street planned Field St Tower. Across Woodall Rodgers Fwy behind the Perot Museum, North End development (Apts) Goldman Sachs lead tenant. Across the street from the Perot, where El Fenix is (and its parking lots) another development is planned.
If all of that is completed… there will be seamless transitions between Victory Park, Uptown, and Downtown via Field St.
@ 2:14 - seamless transition between Uptown and Downtown via Klyde Warren Park
@ 2:50 - close up of the North End Apts. It was built before the area became urban and is now out of place.
Which is why Uptown is easily the most urban center in Houston. That's the major beef I have with Houston. Midtown could be Houston's version of Uptown but the haphazard development nature in Houston just won't allow it to reach those heights of urbanity. If you look at Uptown Dallas, they have their fair share of stripping centers with parking lots but they're not as big and suburban built like what you find in Midtown Houston. Compare Uptown D Whole Foods location to Midtown Houston's location.
Now that part of Midtown Houston has some bars,clubs, lounges and everything you need to promote a vibrant scene but there's also big parking lots further down the street which doesn't promotes a concentrated urban setting. Honestly most parts of Midtown Houston look like some suburban areas in LA. At least Uptown Dallas could hold it's own because you can easily see it's building for pedestrians.
With that said, my only knock against Uptown Dallas is the fact it's too many commercialized establishments. So even though I get more of a urban vibe in Uptown than I would anywhere in Houston, the fact it lacks that authenticity you want a urban center to have is kind of a let down as well. Now that's just my opinion. But Uptown is closer to what you'd see in Midtown Atlanta or parts of Fort Lauderdale( commercial strip). Midtown Houston is that in pockets.
You are right, those two areas look very similar. I can also see how Uptown feels commercialized. It’s very posh and clean…so I get the sentiment.
Edit: according to Wikipedia, Midtown Houston is 1.24 sq mi and Uptown Dallas is 0.925 sq mi, but adjacent neighborhoods makes it feel even larger. Turtle Creek, Victory Park, Harwood, etc are all adjacent to each other and relatively urban. Even with the smaller area, Uptown has a bigger population in comparison to Midtown (it’s Wikipedia’s numbers, so Idk how accurate).
Midtown Houston - 1.24 sq mi = 793.6 acres
Uptown Dallas - 0.92 sq mi = 591.8 acres
Midtown is 201.8 acres larger
Midtown Houston population - 9,500+ residents
Uptown Dallas population - 17,000+ residents
(Rough density numbers given both websites didn’t give an accurate count)
Midtown Houston Density - 7,661.2 per sq mi
Uptown Dallas Density - 18,378.3 per sq mi
Edit: according to Wikipedia, Midtown Houston is 1.24 sq mi and Uptown Dallas is 0.925 sq mi, but adjacent neighborhoods makes it feel even larger. Turtle Creek, Victory Park, Harwood, etc are all adjacent to each other and relatively urban. Even with the smaller area, Uptown has a bigger population in comparison to Midtown (it’s Wikipedia’s numbers, so Idk how accurate).
Midtown Houston - 1.24 sq mi = 793.6 acres
Uptown Dallas - 0.92 sq mi = 591.8 acres
Midtown is 201.8 acres larger
Midtown Houston population - 9,500+ residents
Uptown Dallas population - 17,000+ residents
(Rough density numbers given both websites didn’t give an accurate count)
Midtown Houston Density - 7,661.2 per sq mi
Uptown Dallas Density - 18,378.3 per sq mi
Lol...that's because Midtown Houston is JUST NOW building up to be a residential area...it initially wasn't made for such.
Meanwhile, Uptown Houston has over 55k residents...which is still rather lacking for a city it's size...but still far exceeds Uptown Dallas' 17k.
The same can be said about Uptown Dallas. Much of what was built didn’t exist 15 years ago or so. Uptown Houston isn’t every urban. It has a lot of high-rises but also a lot of very large suburban style shopping centers. Post Oak and Westheimer comes to mind off top.
Edit: Both areas started in the 1990s with the formation of a PID of some sort. To be fair, Uptown Dallas has a few shopping centers but they’re very small and limited in parking. The biggest is on Pearl and McKinney, it has an underground garage with some surface spots.
Uptown Houston doesn't have the urban form that Midtown has.
Further, Midtown Houston is like 4 times the size of Uptown Dallas. You would be better to compare similar sized areas. Midtown can be divided into areas such as Post Midtown Area, Midtown Park Area, MidMain, HCC, Ion District, Flower District, Townhouse District, Upper Skid Row, Lower Skid Row, Baldwin Park, Post Office District,
Midtown Houston is over a mile wide and almost two miles long. Uptown Dallas is about a half mile wide by about a mile long.
The scale there is just too different to compare.
But Midtown Houston definitely has the better urban bones than Both Uptown HOU and Dal. The scale of both Uptowns are just off for me. For example the width of arterial roads in UTH: https://u.realgeeks.media/tdtexasrealty/uptown.jpg
I would be surprised to hear someone say Uptown is the most urban center in Houston. I would think they are drunk if I hear someone say it is EASILY the most urban. Downtown, Midtown, TMC, Montrose, East Downtown, The Heights, Museum District/Binz, even Upper Kirby all have better urban bones.
In the last 20 years while Houston has been filling in a dozen mini skylines, Dallas has been filling a much smaller area. At complete build out Uptown Dallas won't be able to match Midtown Houston because the bones are different.
You know what, I just realized you were responding to my post. And my first sentence was a typo. I meant to say Uptown Dallas is easily the most urban area in Texas. I know Uptown Houston is far from being the most urban area in Houston. It's pretty much an "urbanized" suburb.
And as much infill Houston's been doing for the past 20 years I still don't see Midtown Houston being as urban as Uptown Dallas in the foreseeable future. There's just too many big lots that resemble suburban infrastructure that kills a truly dense urban center.
I mean this is the most urban area of Midtown Houston and this pales in comparison to Uptown Dallas. If Houston wants Midtown to be comparable to Uptown Dallas TODAY than they have to change their entire mindset in how they approach development in the core.
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