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View Poll Results: Which city has the more urban streetscape?
Houston 58 54.21%
Dallas 49 45.79%
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Old 09-06-2022, 08:54 PM
 
Location: Houston/Austin, TX
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I'm sort of in the middle on this one. I do agree that comparing each Uptown isn't apples to apples. I also don't think that comparing Midtown to Uptown Dallas is either, however. While Houston and DFW are comparable in many ways, there isn't always going to be a comparison.

Valid comparisons:

Downtown vs Downtown
River Oaks vs Highland Park
The Galleria vs NorthPark

Some others, but not every place will have an equivalent. There may be a "closest thing to it" but not necessarily an equivalent. I don't think there's an equivilent to either of the two Uptowns nor Texas Medical Center nor the Museum District and so forth. One could come out and say "Let's compare TMC to UTSWMD" since they're the closest neighborhoods to each other but they're different animals.

 
Old 09-06-2022, 08:54 PM
 
Location: Washington D.C. By way of Texas
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Lol...okay...then what in Dallas compares to Uptown Houston (this should be good)?
Nothing. Dallas has nothing that compares to Uptown Houston.
 
Old 09-06-2022, 08:55 PM
 
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Lol...okay...then what in Dallas compares to Uptown Houston (this should be good)?
Dallas doesn't have an outpost like Uptown Houston and certainlydoesn't have a TMC or Galveston.
There are similar outposts like Greenspoint, or Greenway Plaza.
Houston doesn't have a FW though. But Houston is like a Dallas plus Fort Worth plus Plano plus Irving plus ......
 
Old 09-06-2022, 08:56 PM
 
Location: Dallas, Texas
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Dallas doesn't have an outpost like Uptown Houston and certainlydoesn't have a TMC or Galveston.
There are similar outposts like Greenspoint, or Greenway Plaza.
Houston doesn't have a FW though. But Houston is like a Dallas plus Fort Worth plus Plano plus Irving plus ......
How many people you think live in Houston? lol
 
Old 09-06-2022, 08:57 PM
 
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You know maybe I should have been more clear. Outside of a downtown because Downtown should be a given in most American cities. I mean if your downtown is not the most densely populated area in a city than I don't know what to tell you. But OUTSIDE OF A DOWNTOWN I do believe Uptown Dallas is the most urban neighborhood in the state.

Now you can make a case for West Campus, But imo Uptown Dallas looks closer to what you'd fine in true urban centers than West Campus which is unique in the sense that UT is right there.
I get that you wouldn't live there if you aren't a college student, but in general west campus is more urban in terms of buildout, streetscape, and vibrancy.

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Uptown has a much more suburban looking layout. I do like it over Houston's equivalents, though.

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Old 09-06-2022, 09:00 PM
 
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How many people you think live in Houston? lol
500k less than Dallas which means Dallas, Plus FW, plus Plano, Plus Irving like I said.

Basically remove Arlington and they are even.
No big loss there
 
Old 09-06-2022, 09:02 PM
 
Location: Dallas, Texas
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500k less than Dallas which means Dallas, Plus FW, plus Plano, Plus Irving like I said.

Basically remove Arlington and they are even.
No big loss there
ah... I thought you were referring to the city of Houston not metro areas.
 
Old 09-06-2022, 09:08 PM
 
Location: Dallas,Texas
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I know. I love how the Austin guys come in here talking mess about what is urban and what isn't.

Come back in about 30-40 years...maybe Austin will have caught up to Houston and Dallas by then? I doubt it though...takes more than tall buildings to make a great city.
Agreed, Dallas and Houston already went through its skyline changing boom cycle that Austin is now currently seeing. Been there done that

Edit: I had the news on and they literally just did a story on Austin’s new supertall breaking ground for construction. Now, I see why the smack talk. They think they’re the big dogs now

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Old 09-06-2022, 09:10 PM
 
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ah... I thought you were referring to the city of Houston not metro areas.
No, we were discussing urban streetscapes. But this thread has gone in so many directions so why not.
Anyway, Houston has more nodes than DFW, despite DFW having far more important cities is what I meant.

Not sure if the Metro would have the same population or more if there was another principal city 30 miles. No point giving it much thought because they are just set up differently.
 
Old 09-07-2022, 09:34 AM
 
Location: Houston, Tx.
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I'm sort of in the middle on this one. I do agree that comparing each Uptown isn't apples to apples. I also don't think that comparing Midtown to Uptown Dallas is either, however. While Houston and DFW are comparable in many ways, there isn't always going to be a comparison.

Valid comparisons:

Downtown vs Downtown
River Oaks vs Highland Park
The Galleria vs NorthPark

Some others, but not every place will have an equivalent. There may be a "closest thing to it" but not necessarily an equivalent. I don't think there's an equivilent to either of the two Uptowns nor Texas Medical Center nor the Museum District and so forth. One could come out and say "Let's compare TMC to UTSWMD" since they're the closest neighborhoods to each other but they're different animals.

But see, that's the thing...comparing The Galleria to Northpark doesn't fly with me because the Galleria is a part of Uptown Houston.

Unless you're comparing JUST the malls themselves...
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