More Southern Influence: Chicago or Philadelphia? (crime, living, state, America)
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Similarly, I wonder if Hillary Clinton's speech patterns may not be the result of the Wellesley grad marrying an Arkansan and moving there instead. I know some of my high-school friends in KC said I'd picked up a slight New England accent after just one semester at Harvard, though I disagreed.
I think so too, I watched a Hulu documentary on her and she it seemed like she picked it up during Bill's governorship in Arkansas. She kept it during his first term in office but after that it went away, I don't think it had anything to do with her Chicago roots.
I think so too, I watched a Hulu documentary on her and she it seemed like she picked it up during Bill's governorship in Arkansas. She kept it during his first term in office but after that it went away, I don't think it had anything to do with her Chicago roots.
Completely agree. The first thing I thought of was the fact that she was in Arkansas for so long. That is likely the reason. Native white Chicagoans have zero hint of a southern accent. Now if they (or even people from the NE, West Coast, other Midwest, etc.) move to the south and spend a long time there, it won't be surprising if they pickup some southern dialect (especially decades ago where southern accents were more common).
Interestingly, now, I have met younger people born and raised in Nashville, Texas, and other southern areas who have "southern-light" accents at best.
Right. Overall, Chicago is more Southern-influenced because of it's African American population is much more Southern influenced than Chicago's. Chicago's AA influence also comes from much deeper south, where I have also heard, as you have mentioned, Philly's comes from VA and South Carolina (I have also heard people mention NC too).
LOL, so South Carolina and Virginia (and NC), are not Southern? And, all closer to Philadelphia, than Chicago. People are splitting hairs here. The south is the south...unless it doesn't fit one's bias.
Barak Obama is not from Chicago. He's from Hawaii.
I think that Philly's white population actually sounds more Southern in speech. Overall, Chicago is more Southern-influenced because of the black population, but the white population of Chicago is less southern-influenced that Philly's.
The classic Chicago accent is Rahm Emmanuel. Well-known Chicago born and raised, include: Harrison Ford, Robin Williams, Bill Murray, Fred and Ben Savage, Cindy Crawford, Jennifer Morrison (Once Upon a Time), John Cusak, Vince Vaughn, Jeff Garlin (Goldbergs), Frank Caliendo, Gina Rodriquez, Michael Pena, Jamie Gertz, Alison Victoria (Windy City Rehab), and too many other examples to name.
None of them have event a hint of a Southern accent.
Philadelphia is right next to Appalachia and is right at the border of the traditional North-South divide line. It's not surprising whites from Philly have more of a southern twang to their accent than whites from Chicago.
Here is a good clip of the classic White Philly accents vs. Chicago. Philly's is clearly more Southern-influenced:
LOL, so South Carolina and Virginia (and NC), are not Southern? And, all closer to Philadelphia, than Chicago. People are splitting hairs here. The south is the south...unless it doesn't fit one's bias.
There's a difference between the South (Philly) and than the Deep South (Chicago)
It's noticeable once you compare the accents from a black Carolinian or Virginian to a black Mississippian or Arkansan.
LOL, so South Carolina and Virginia (and NC), are not Southern? And, all closer to Philadelphia, than Chicago. People are splitting hairs here. The south is the south...unless it doesn't fit one's bias.
I don't disagree with you. I was specifically referring to the "black" populations. I am not black, so can't speak on specifics, but in my observations, people from the upper south (Virginia, North Carolina) have less thick southern accents than those from the "deep south" (Mississippi, Alabama). It is my understanding that blacks from Chicago trace much more to the deep south than those in Philly. And Blacks in Chicago are overall much more Southern-influenced than those from Philly nowadays. It's pretty obvious. Although, a misconception on this board is that all blacks from Chicago are southern-sounding. There are a good number of blacks from Chicago born and raised that have more of a classic mid-western accent than southern. But overall, you'll find more southern-influenced blacks in Chicago than Philly.
But as far as white populations. I disagree with the one poster. I believe that Philly whites have more southern-influence than Chicago whites in their accents. If you listen to the classic Philly accent (I know we all have a different opinion on what "classic" is) vs the classic Chicago accent; I personally hear a slight southern twang in the Philly accent, whereas there is ZERO hint of southerness in the classic Chicago accent.
Barak Obama is not from Chicago. He's from Hawaii.
I think that Philly's white population actually sounds more Southern in speech. Overall, Chicago is more Southern-influenced because of the black population, but the white population of Chicago is less southern-influenced that Philly's.
The classic Chicago accent is Rahm Emmanuel. Well-known Chicago born and raised, include: Harrison Ford, Robin Williams, Bill Murray, Fred and Ben Savage, Cindy Crawford, Jennifer Morrison (Once Upon a Time), John Cusak, Vince Vaughn, Jeff Garlin (Goldbergs), Frank Caliendo, Gina Rodriquez, Michael Pena, Jamie Gertz, Alison Victoria (Windy City Rehab), and too many other examples to name.
None of them have event a hint of a Southern accent.
Philadelphia is right next to Appalachia and is right at the border of the traditional North-South divide line. It's not surprising whites from Philly have more of a southern twang to their accent than whites from Chicago.
Here is a good clip of the classic White Philly accents vs. Chicago. Philly's is clearly more Southern-influenced:
Those Chicago "accents" sound neutral to my ears and the white Philadelphia accent doesn't sound more sorthern than white Chicago accents. To say the least, there is no southern "twang" in the white Philadelphia accent whatsoever. Philadelphia's accent sounds quintessentially northern.
Honestly, I don't care enough to watch any of these videos.... Reading between the lines, Philly posters want nothing to do with being southern. Nor does Chicago, I guess, but Philly posters seem to be adamant that farther south is bad.
Those Chicago "accents" sound neutral to my ears and the white Philadelphia accent doesn't sound more sorthern than white Chicago accents. To say the least, there is no southern "twang" in the white Philadelphia accent whatsoever. Philadelphia's accent sounds quintessentially northern.
Fair enough, to each his/her own. The impression Bradley Cooper does which he calls the "classic Philly" accent definitely has a hint of a southern "twang" to my ears (start listening at 1:17)
But regardless, even if you don't consider that Southern; in no way are Chicago whites "more southern-influenced" than Philly whites, which you or maybe it was another poster who suggested. If anything, neither is southern-influenced. There is zero hint of southern influence from native Chicago whites.
Unless you don't recognize dialect, the Chicago accents I posted are clearly distinct, and nobody would consider them to be "neutral." And again, there is ZERO hint of southern twang to them.
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