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The point I was trying to make earlier is that there is no such thing as Northern "purity." There are plenty of examples of outright defiance against abolitionism or race-based violence in the North, even well into Yankee territory.
So I guess I just don't see how this types of historical events make Philly the exception.
Fair enough, New York's Irish community did commit the draft riots attacking/murdering many innocent free Blacks in 1863 and, yes, there sadly were many parallel race riots in other cities, both North and South, well into the 20th Century, including the infamous 1919 Chicago riots and, I believe, a Detroit riot sometime around WWII -- both reactions to the African American migrations from the South to escape the KKK, Jim Crow and widespread lynchings...
... all that said, I still believe Philly has a serious Southern vibe people are overlooking. And as for Baltimore, I view it as an absolutely Southern City... and a lot of people view Baltimore as Philly's little brother. In terms of (row-house) architecture, slow-pace and country vibe, these 2 cities are very similar imho.
... all that said, I still believe Philly has a serious Southern vibe people are overlooking. And as for Baltimore, I view it as an absolutely Southern City... and a lot of people view Baltimore as Philly's little brother. In terms of (row-house) architecture, slow-pace and country vibe, these 2 cities are very similar imho.
This is the first time I've ever heard Philly described as having a "serious Southern" and "country" vibe. It's pretty fascinating to me.
Outside of Alabama, Mississippi, and the Deep South, Baltimore and Philly DO NOT have southern vibes.
As a historically Southern city, Baltimore does have some Southern undertones but that's neither here nor there since the thread is about Chicago and Philly.
Meanwhile Chicago keeps increasing its share in the poll...
Not surprising at all. I voted for Chicago being more southern influenced, solely because of the Black population. Compared to Philly, a solidly Northeast city, the black population of Chicago (and anywhere else in the Midwest) is definitely more Southern influenced. So Chicago should keep increasing its share in the poll.
The thread got off topic for a while discussing whether or not MD and DC are southern or not like all threads eventually do, lol. Now that the thread is back on track, people are actually addressing the question!
... all that said, I still believe Philly has a serious Southern vibe people are overlooking. And as for Baltimore, I view it as an absolutely Southern City... and a lot of people view Baltimore as Philly's little brother. In terms of (row-house) architecture, slow-pace and country vibe, these 2 cities are very similar imho.
Either you're trolling, or you're talking about Philadelphia, Mississippi. You're not talking about Philadelphia, Pennsylvania. Philadelphia, PA is a quintessential northeastern city. Next thing you're going to say is that Birmingham, Alabama is a very northern city.
Baltimore is a transitional city that's neither northern or southern. Baltimore can't be shoehorned into a region and that's ok.
Either you're trolling, or you're talking about Philadelphia, Mississippi. You're not talking about Philadelphia, Pennsylvania. Philadelphia, PA is a quintessential northeastern city. Next thing you're going to say is that Birmingham, Alabama is a very northern city.
Baltimore is a transitional city that's neither northern or southern. Baltimore can't be shoehorned into a region and that's ok.
Baltimore isn't really a transitional city at all. I could see DC being a transitional city, but Baltimore really is kinda quintessential southern like a bigger Richmond.
Baltimore isn't really a transitional city at all. I could see DC being a transitional city, but Baltimore really is kinda quintessential southern like a bigger Richmond.
Ok now you've gone way overboard. You perceive Baltimore as a Southern city, cool...but there's no way in the world it's a quintessential Southern city. That's never been the case, even during the days when the city was more widely considered Southern.
I hate to participate in dragging the thread off-topic again, but I couldn't let that slide at all.
Baltimore isn't really a transitional city at all. I could see DC being a transitional city, but Baltimore really is kinda quintessential southern like a bigger Richmond.
Not even Richmond is quintessential southern LOL.
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