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Yeah...just being in the two metro areas it is EASY to see the development differences. New Orleans is a pretty compact mid size metro with less amenities but all fairly easy to get to and concentrated. Atlanta is super super spread out giant metro with more amenities but everything is allover the place and you'll spend a lot of drive time doing things.
New Orleans having over 800,000 in 180 sq mi means NO is basically just the a core on most accounts of US cities, that would be just the city limit. The only cities that top that is NY, Chicago, SF, LA, Boston, and Philly that is it.
I think DC, Seattle and Minneapolis is in same range of density in 180 sq mi.
It's interesting so the way I look at New Orleans now is having a core like DC but a overall metro suburbia like little Rock or Augusta.
city limits
New York 304.8 sq mi
Chicago 227.2 sq mi
LA 468.670 sq mi
The reason why I was tripping because No major US metro over million has a UA less than 300 sq mi beside New Orleans. If New Orleans urban area is 800K with a total metro 1.1 million means, New Orleans can be view as a 197 sq mi large city of 800K a Tire up, but then with all that undeveloped land in it's suburban parishes, it's like Augusta, little Rock or Jackson by suburban population. A large fish in a puddle of a metropolitan.
On the flip side you can't say Atlanta is super spread out Atlanta, Houston, DFW, Philly, Boston and DC all have a population some where between 3.3 million to 4.3 million in 1,800 sq mi. Atlanta just doesn't have a city core that dense. But in 1,800 sq mi it has more density then then majority of US metros and not too far off from it's peers density that's including Philly and Boston in 1,800 sq mi.
New Orleans having over 800,000 in 180 sq mi means NO is basically just the a core on most accounts of US cities, that would be just the city limit. The only cities that top that is NY, Chicago, SF, LA, Boston, and Philly that is it.
I think DC, Seattle and Minneapolis is in same range of density in 180 sq mi.
It's interesting so the way I look at New Orleans now is having a core like DC but a overall metro suburbia like little Rock or Augusta.
city limits
New York 304.8 sq mi
Chicago 227.2 sq mi
LA 468.670 sq mi
The reason why I was tripping because No major US metro over million has a UA less than 300 sq mi beside New Orleans. If New Orleans urban area is 800K with a total metro 1.1 million means, New Orleans can be view as a 197 sq mi large city of 800K a Tire up, but then with all that undeveloped land in it's suburban parishes, it's like Augusta, little Rock or Jackson by suburban population. A large fish in a puddle of a metropolitan.
On the flip side you can't say Atlanta is super spread out Atlanta, Houston, DFW, Philly, Boston and DC all have a population some where between 3.3 million to 4.3 million in 1,800 sq mi. Atlanta just doesn't have a city core that dense. But in 1,800 sq mi it has more density then then majority of US metros and not too far off from it's peers density that's including Philly and Boston in 1,800 sq mi.
The urban area of New Orleans is basically an island encircled by marsh on 3 sides and a lake on the north. The only really sprawlish area is on the north shore of the lake.
New Orleans having over 800,000 in 180 sq mi means NO is basically just the a core on most accounts of US cities, that would be just the city limit. The only cities that top that is NY, Chicago, SF, LA, Boston, and Philly that is it.
I think DC, Seattle and Minneapolis is in same range of density in 180 sq mi.
It's interesting so the way I look at New Orleans now is having a core like DC but a overall metro suburbia like little Rock or Augusta.
city limits
New York 304.8 sq mi
Chicago 227.2 sq mi
LA 468.670 sq mi
The reason why I was tripping because No major US metro over million has a UA less than 300 sq mi beside New Orleans. If New Orleans urban area is 800K with a total metro 1.1 million means, New Orleans can be view as a 197 sq mi large city of 800K a Tire up, but then with all that undeveloped land in it's suburban parishes, it's like Augusta, little Rock or Jackson by suburban population. A large fish in a puddle of a metropolitan.
On the flip side you can't say Atlanta is super spread out Atlanta, Houston, DFW, Philly, Boston and DC all have a population some where between 3.3 million to 4.3 million in 1,800 sq mi. Atlanta just doesn't have a city core that dense. But in 1,800 sq mi it has more density then then majority of US metros and not too far off from it's peers density that's including Philly and Boston in 1,800 sq mi.
Good post, but it also seems the amenities in the Atlanta metro are spread allover the place also. For instance Chinese American stuff out around Chamblee, all the things in Sandy Springs, over in Decatur, even the city is tiered in 3 virtual "DT" style areas with downtown, then midtown, then buckhead.
Trying to go to a cool area like Little Five Points you would pretty much need to drive to, as the public transit going there still leaves you a good 15-20 minute walk away from it through a suburban style neighborhood and park. Same thing with East Atlanta.
Good post, but it also seems the amenities in the Atlanta metro are spread allover the place also. For instance Chinese American stuff out around Chamblee, all the things in Sandy Springs, over in Decatur, even the city is tiered in 3 virtual "DT" style areas with downtown, then midtown, then buckhead.
Trying to go to a cool area like Little Five Points you would pretty much need to drive to, as the public transit going there still leaves you a good 15-20 minute walk away from it through a suburban style neighborhood and park. Same thing with East Atlanta.
Just a few things to point out.
Many cities Are multi polar but I see your point.
The station in Inman Park is about 10 mins away from L5P
It's interesting so the way I look at New Orleans now is having a core like DC but a overall metro suburbia like little Rock or Augusta.
city limits
New York 304.8 sq mi
Chicago 227.2 sq mi
LA 468.670 sq mi
The reason why I was tripping because No major US metro over million has a UA less than 300 sq mi beside New Orleans. If New Orleans urban area is 800K with a total metro 1.1 million means, New Orleans can be view as a 197 sq mi large city of 800K a Tire up, but then with all that undeveloped land in it's suburban parishes, it's like Augusta, little Rock or Jackson by suburban population. A large fish in a puddle of a metropolitan.
I honestly do not understand what you are trying to say.
I honestly do not understand what you are trying to say.
I saying two things
No other Metro over a million have urban area as small as New Orleans, New Orleans urban area is small enough and dense enough to be view like city.
Augusta city is nearly 200,000, metro over 500,000
New Orleans urban area is over 800,000, metro 1.1 million
because of how small New Orleans urban area is 197 sq mi like a city, most of suburban area is like a Augusta suburban tire ring. just 300,000 over counties and parishes.
Again New Orleans having 800,000 in 197 sq mi like a city, I know it's not "and I'm counting the actual New Orleans suburbs" but you know on city data how we are always debating what the true city, what a measure of region and etc. New Orleans is like a 800,000 city, by many cities city limits. A large fish in a puddle of a metropolitan.
No other Metro over a million have urban area as small as New Orleans, New Orleans urban area is small enough and dense enough to be view like city.
Augusta city is nearly 200,000, metro over 500,000
New Orleans urban area is over 800,000, metro 1.1 million
because of how small New Orleans urban area is 197 sq mi like a city, most of suburban area is like a Augusta suburban tire ring. just 300,000 over counties and parishes.
Again New Orleans having 800,000 in 197 sq mi like a city, I know it's not "and I'm counting the actual New Orleans suburbs" but you know on city data how we are always debating what the true city, what a measure of region and etc. New Orleans is like a 800,000 city, by many cities city limits. A large fish in a puddle of a metropolitan.
Oh, ok. Well yeah it's like 800,000 crammed into one place and then another 300,000 sparsely spread out across the middle of nowhere.
Thanks for clearing that up and props to New Orleans, because I was confused when I read that seriously, that's interesting all that is continuous, that all the Parish seats and cities around New Orleans abut each other to somehow come out less than 200 sq mi. Another thing I was looking about was New Orleans being the whole Orleans Parish, I knew not all the suburban parish were populated. I thinking maybe it did hold a million before Katrina in 2000. The data the posters was posting was base on 2000 UA which would explain the 800K population now.
Half of Atlanta urban area is not in cities but counties, And county seats are in middle of each county, many of them came up about the same time of Atlanta as satellite towns rather suburbs. Most areas between cities are inhabitable in which population came later and Georgia has strict annexing and incorporation laws, so a large number of people live directly under the county Gov. Like wise not all the population around metro Atlanta is cram against Atlanta.
But that caught me off guard that the Parishes around Orleans, are basically large nature blanks, and that their entire population and county seats were planned off there approximation to New Orleans.
That map clearly omitted Paulding and Forsyth counties, both of which are clearly suburban. It also omitted Walton County, the western portion of which is suburban.
That map clearly omitted Paulding and Forsyth counties, both of which are clearly suburban. It also omitted Walton County, the western portion of which is suburban.
I know.. and don't why that is? ) but it's the best map I can find that show the cities and counties across the metro.
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) but it's the best map I can find that show the cities and counties across the metro.