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You really are not comprehending what "on average" means. You keep having this argument because you are wrong.
It's very simple. The average 2 year grad is not as academically acomplished and intelligent as the average 4 year graduate. There is clear data to support this.
You can't argue that someone with a 4 year degree is smarter than someone with a 2 year degree, when your claiming entrence GPA and sat scores, as community colleges have to accept all students, so yes it makes sense that on average students at 2 year schools have lower scores, but you are talking about graduates, the only data that would be accurate is the students average GPA upon graduation and there pass rates on state exams. Or if you want to use entrence information it would need to be used applied to the graduates only not all students entering school.
And congrats to the op on choosing a program and good luck.
We're getting off- topic here. The OP has decided to enter an Occupational Therapy Assistant program. Let'swish him well! and move on. Y'all be sweet.
I agree. This is not a nursing education thread. The last time I tried to start such a thread, due to another hijack like this one, it only got a few replies.
Yep and not only that foreign nurse's sponsored by their employers are not going to complain about unsafe staffing...working off the clock...and taking shortcuts to give the appearance that they are super nurses.
Yes,we could talk all day about 2 year vs 4 year colleges,at the end of the day the only thing the employer cares about is green!
Two and four degreed American nurses would get kicked to the curb for cheaper, foreign trained nurses.
I don't believe nursing is overrated but in terms of two year vs four year nursing degrees, we can argue all day long. I have several family members who are nurses and this topic comes up a lot.
One of my family members has a two year degree, one has a BSN. I believe it depends on the person and the school. Some schools really equipt people to be competant nurses, either on the two year or the four year. However, the accelerated schools are getting a bad rap ( 2nd degree BSN programs) with the nursing community, they seem to be known as the pump and dump. They pump a student information at an alarming rate, then dump them into the next class within 5-8 weeks. Most students cannot process the information quick enough and by the time they graduate they really don't have a good foundation.
Honestly, I believe students should receive a two year RN, work for a year then bridge to BSN. Why? I think so many people are entering nursing, come out with at least 40K worth of debt only to realize nursing is difficult, stressful, and not glamerous.
I don't believe nursing is overrated but in terms of two year vs four year nursing degrees, we can argue all day long. I have several family members who are nurses and this topic comes up a lot.
One of my family members has a two year degree, one has a BSN. I believe it depends on the person and the school. Some schools really equipt people to be competant nurses, either on the two year or the four year. However, the accelerated schools are getting a bad rap ( 2nd degree BSN programs) with the nursing community, they seem to be known as the pump and dump. They pump a student information at an alarming rate, then dump them into the next class within 5-8 weeks. What is happening is students cannot process this information and by the time the student graduates they really haven't learned the concepts.
Honestly, I believe students should receive a two year RN, work for a year then bridge to BSN. Why? I think so many people are entering nursing come out with at least 40K worth of debt only to realize nursing is difficult, stressful, and not glamerous.
This. I can't imagine how fast they have to process information in these accel. programs. The thing with nursing is it's the years of experience you need to know how to handle things. Even if you're not doing direct care, it takes a while to really get it! I worked in a med/surg unit for 4 years after grad and it wasn't easy then. I was coming into things daily that I hadn't experienced in my little clinical time. And, some nurses have attitudes toward new grads like pirhannas. And, you have the docs, esp. back then, w/the patronizing attitudes (I think that's changed somewhat from what I've seen/heard, in certain areas anyways), family members, lots to deal with.
I don't believe nursing is overrated but in terms of two year vs four year nursing degrees, we can argue all day long. I have several family members who are nurses and this topic comes up a lot.
One of my family members has a two year degree, one has a BSN. I believe it depends on the person and the school. Some schools really equipt people to be competant nurses, either on the two year or the four year. However, the accelerated schools are getting a bad rap ( 2nd degree BSN programs) with the nursing community, they seem to be known as the pump and dump. They pump a student information at an alarming rate, then dump them into the next class within 5-8 weeks. Most students cannot process the information quick enough and by the time they graduate they really don't have a good foundation.
Honestly, I believe students should receive a two year RN, work for a year then bridge to BSN. Why? I think so many people are entering nursing, come out with at least 40K worth of debt only to realize nursing is difficult, stressful, and not glamerous.
Debt depends on the school. Average debt at a top 100 university is around 15k. Debt certainly is not a reason to do a 2 year program if you are a quality student who can get into a good school.
Debt depends on the school. Average debt at a top 100 university is around 15k. Debt certainly is not a reason to do a 2 year program if you are a quality student who can get into a good school.
Agreed. I think the most debt comes from the for-profit schools.
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